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Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1815 on: July 27, 2019, 06:36:12 PM »

I can't find the video,but I'm sure after the "however" there was pause meaning the manner.

Found it,he paused after "however she left the apartment" then said she's been abducted,not once did he say by a stranger.

2:12 in he says "there needs to be an abduction" ?

https://metro.co.uk/video/assistant-commissioner-mark-rowley-missing-maddie-mccann-1882464/

You could see the wheels whirring in that pause.
I found this statement enlightening;

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1816 on: July 27, 2019, 07:03:21 PM »

I can't find the video,but I'm sure after the "however" there was pause meaning the manner.

Found it,he paused after "however she left the apartment" then said she's been abducted,not once did he say by a stranger.

2:12 in he says "there needs to be an abduction" ?

https://metro.co.uk/video/assistant-commissioner-mark-rowley-missing-maddie-mccann-1882464/
Was that the same interview as in the 10th Anniversary documentary.  It sounds so parallel I'd say it was. 
"however she left that apartment" there is definitely no pause after the word "however".

I'm not analysing what happens after those words "however she left the apartment", but if you listen right from the beginning , public appeals , phone calls, useful information, new enquiries, the parents not suspects.  That is why I say Crimestoppers and anonymous confidential information enables them to rule out the parents, and say "however she left the apartment" pause "she was abducted".

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1817 on: July 28, 2019, 07:19:05 PM »
It was on YouTube have you looked there yet?  Martin Grime training dog should find it.  Was it this one?  https://youtu.be/en5zHpvG9m0  That is the one, and the dogs being trained are Keela and Eddie.  So they were trained on UK soil with human remains.

at around 3.20..on this video...grime says the dog alerted and human remains were located...that simply is not a fact...why is grime claiming it to be  a fact...when it isnt
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1818 on: July 28, 2019, 09:08:25 PM »
at around 3.20..on this video...grime says the dog alerted and human remains were located...that simply is not a fact...why is grime claiming it to be  a fact...when it isnt

That's not quite true though is is DaveL?

"By the end of the excavations and investigations at Haut de la Garenne in July 2008, police had sifted over 150 tonnes of earth. 65 human milk teeth were found, coming from between 10 and 65 individuals aged between 6–12 years and generally seeming to have been shed naturally. Discounting a large quantity of animal bones, only three bone fragments (the largest 25 mm = 1 inch long) were identified as possibly human; two of them have been dated to a range from 1470 to 1650 and the other 1650 to 1950."

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1819 on: July 28, 2019, 09:13:18 PM »
That's not quite true though is is DaveL?

"By the end of the excavations and investigations at Haut de la Garenne in July 2008, police had sifted over 150 tonnes of earth. 65 human milk teeth were found, coming from between 10 and 65 individuals aged between 6–12 years and generally seeming to have been shed naturally. Discounting a large quantity of animal bones, only three bone fragments (the largest 25 mm = 1 inch long) were identified as possibly human; two of them have been dated to a range from 1470 to 1650 and the other 1650 to 1950."

So what amounts to human remains.. Milk teth shed naturally are not human remains... Grime stated as a fact the alerts led to the location of human remains as a fact.. It's possible.. But not fact

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1820 on: July 28, 2019, 09:15:22 PM »
So what amounts to human remains.. Milk teth shed naturally are not human remains... Grime stated as a fact the alerts led to the location of human remains as a fact.. It's possible.. But not fact

Of course milk teeth are human remains!! As are human bones! The term "human remains" doesn't imply foul play... though IMO that place was rotten to the core.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1821 on: July 28, 2019, 10:19:50 PM »
So what amounts to human remains.. Milk teth shed naturally are not human remains... Grime stated as a fact the alerts led to the location of human remains as a fact.. It's possible.. But not fact
Of course milk teeth are human remains.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1822 on: July 28, 2019, 10:25:54 PM »
Of course milk teeth are human remains.
Cite

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1823 on: July 28, 2019, 10:47:33 PM »
Cite
Human Teeth are human remains
Human Milk teeth is a subset of Human teeth
Human Milk teeth are human remains
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1824 on: July 28, 2019, 10:50:59 PM »
Human Teeth are human remains
Human Milk teeth is a subset of Human teeth
Human Milk teeth are human remains

Human remains are from a corpse.... So milk teeth are not human remains

www.duhaime.org › LegalDictionary
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Human Remains Definition - Duhaime.org
Human Remains Definition: The body of a deceased person, in whole or in parts, regardless of its stage of decomposition


It makes it so much easier when cites are given promptly
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1825 on: July 28, 2019, 10:58:25 PM »
Human remains are from a corpse.... So milk teeth are not human remains

www.duhaime.org › LegalDictionary
Web results
Human Remains Definition - Duhaime.org
Human Remains Definition: The body of a deceased person, in whole or in parts, regardless of its stage of decomposition


It makes it so much easier when cites are given promptly
Dried blood from a living person was also in the subset of decomposed human remains.  (I gave you the quote from the White paper for this).
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1826 on: July 28, 2019, 11:01:13 PM »
Dried blood from a living person was also in the subset of decomposed human remains.  (I gave you the quote from the White paper for this).

Ibe given a legal definition... There are many more... Human remains are from a corpse
Dried blood from a living person is not human remains... Neither are milk teeth... Or permanent teeth

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1827 on: July 28, 2019, 11:01:53 PM »
"DNA from 31,000-year-old milk teeth leads to discovery of new Ice Age population of big game hunters"

"The DNA was recovered from the only human remains discovered during the era – two tiny milk teeth ( Russian Academy of Sciences )"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ice-age-milk-teeth-dna-hunters-siberia-prehistoric-cambridge-university-a8945221.html

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1828 on: July 28, 2019, 11:05:15 PM »
"DNA from 31,000-year-old milk teeth leads to discovery of new Ice Age population of big game hunters"

"The DNA was recovered from the only human remains discovered during the era – two tiny milk teeth ( Russian Academy of Sciences )"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ice-age-milk-teeth-dna-hunters-siberia-prehistoric-cambridge-university-a8945221.html

I think we can guarantee those people were dead.. 31000 years ago
We can't in Jersey

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #1829 on: July 28, 2019, 11:07:30 PM »
I think we can guarantee those people were dead.. 31000 years ago
We can't in Jersey
Were dead when?  Were the teeth kept as a souvenir while the child was alive?  We don't know.
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