Who killed Bambi ?

[Holly Goodhead]

It was a rifle for shooting rabbits. So surprised a 6.4 farmer & 24 year old man were in such a panic when Sheila picked it up.

I've recently posted about the power of the rifle/ammo combi:

The following shows the Home Office has calculated the lowest level of muzzle energy capable of inflicting a penetrating wound is one foot pound (1.35 joules).

http://www.mileoakshootingclub.co.uk/8.html

The calculation is based on speed (ft/s) x speed (ft/s) x weight (grain) divide by 450240.

So the cartridges used at WHF:

1080 x 1080 x 40/450240 = 103.62 ft/llbs or 140.50 joules. So based on the Home Office saying 1 foot pound is needed to penetrate skin we can see how lethal the rifle and ammo used at WHF are at close rang providing 103.62 llbs ie >100% than the required force to penetrate skin alone. 

The bullets used were hollowed nose.  Meaning upon impact they expand and open up like a petal.  They are described as being like mini food blenders whizzing around the body tearing through tissue, muscle and organs. 

People who have no knowledge of these things or are unable/unwilling to do any research talk as though the rifle/cartridges are akin to a table tennis bat and ping pong ball ie something that NB would simply bat away with a brush of his hand. 

6' 4" farmer, 24 yoa man, Mike Tyson or little me at 5'3.5" 8st 711bs no one would stand a chance against a child with such a rifle/ammo and a light trigger pull bearing in mind also it is semi-auto capable of holding up to 11 cartridges.

[Holly Goodhead]

You omitted to say " in my opinion".   

Who said the rifle was ever kept in a case?

JB said the rifle wound not fit in the case with the silencer attached and this was proved to be the case at trial.

[Holly Goodhead]

No there isn't.

Yes there is until someone can explain why WHF was growing opium poppies supposedly under licence for the pharma industry at a time when UK authorities did not grant such licences. 

No one can explain the above any more than they can explain the anomalies with the cannabis and the various witnesses and JB. 

 

[Holly Goodhead]

I'll echo that. Nevill was representative of all those of a certain age and social type within the area. He was liked and trusted by all who knew him. The very worst that any of that group may have done is imbibe a little too freely once in a while. The idea that he'd have colluded with his son to do what he may have sent others down for is unacceptable...................however, if we allow ourselves to go down that road, we get a view of someone who bought his son up to believe he was above the law and anything he wanted was his for the taking as long as he didn't get caught.

NB was responsible for what went on at WHF and to date no one has explained the opium poppies.

Your perception of NB along with others is just that.  Prince Charles thought the same about Bishop Ball and said as much:

The prince said in the 1980s and 1990s there was "a presumption that people such as Bishops could be taken at their word and, as a result of the high office they held, were worthy of trust and confidence".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44979209

[APRIL]

NB was responsible for what went on at WHF and to date no one has explained the opium poppies.

Your perception of NB along with others is just that.  Prince Charles thought the same about Bishop Ball and said as much:

The prince said in the 1980s and 1990s there was "a presumption that people such as Bishops could be taken at their word and, as a result of the high office they held, were worthy of trust and confidence".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44979209

Regarding Bishop Bell -and including Jimmy Savill- their misdeeds were very likely noted by some as evidenced after Savill died. Death of a perp makes it easier for victims/suspects to come forward. To date, it seems that no one has come forward with any suspicions regarding NB...................... However, should it ever be discovered that he'd done anything which could have bought dishonour to the position he held, and shame on the family, it would reveal a mindset totally other than the one he presented, and -in my opinion- cements Jeremy's guilt. If he'd grown up seeing how his father 'got away with it' why shouldn't he?

[Holly Goodhead]

Regarding Bishop Bell -and including Jimmy Savill- their misdeeds were very likely noted by some as evidenced after Savill died. Death of a perp makes it easier for victims/suspects to come forward. To date, it seems that no one has come forward with any suspicions regarding NB...................... However, should it ever be discovered that he'd done anything which could have bought dishonour to the position he held, and shame on the family, it would reveal a mindset totally other than the one he presented, and -in my opinion- cements Jeremy's guilt. If he'd grown up seeing how his father 'got away with it' why shouldn't he?

Bishop Bell is still alive.  He was tried and convicted.  The point being there was/is a perception about certain individuals/institutions whereby they are able to slip under the radar in a way most others aren't. 

It is often said NB was this, that and the other eg the CoA doc describes him as:

"Those who knew him spoke of him as a good and fair man".

This may well be the case but the fact he is described as above and was a church warden and magistrate doesn't imo automatically preclude him from any sort of wrongdoing. 

Why would anyone come forward about any suspicions regarding NB?  If he was growing opium poppies for the black market who was going to come forward?  Other criminals he may have been working with?

No one has so far been able to explain the opium poppies and/or the anomalies with the various witnesses and JB re cannabis.

[APRIL]

Bishop Bell is still alive.  He was tried and convicted.  The point being there was/is a perception about certain individuals/institutions whereby they are able to slip under the radar in a way most others aren't. 

It is often said NB was this, that and the other eg the CoA doc describes him as:

"Those who knew him spoke of him as a good and fair man".

This may well be the case but the fact he is described as above and was a church warden and magistrate doesn't imo automatically preclude him from any sort of wrongdoing. 

Why would anyone come forward about any suspicions regarding NB?  If he was growing opium poppies for the black market who was going to come forward?  Other criminals he may have been working with?

No one has so far been able to explain the opium poppies and/or the anomalies with the various witnesses and JB re cannabis.

The facts that "Those who knew him spoke of him as a good and fair man" and his positions as magistrate and church warden don't automatically imply he must should suspected of wrong doing.

I find it hard to believe, given how open and flat is the land around WHF and how poppies tend to stand out, that there was anything illegal occurring -although I allow that one poppy looks very like another- from whom have we learned that they were opium poppies as opposed to the common or garden variety?

[Caroline]

Yes there is until someone can explain why WHF was growing opium poppies supposedly under licence for the pharma industry at a time when UK authorities did not grant such licences. 

No one can explain the above any more than they can explain the anomalies with the cannabis and the various witnesses and JB.

No one needs to explain anything of the sort to members of an internet forum. You hold the hunch that there was something suspicious but I think you are alone in your thinking on this one.

[Caroline]

I've recently posted about the power of the rifle/ammo combi:

The following shows the Home Office has calculated the lowest level of muzzle energy capable of inflicting a penetrating wound is one foot pound (1.35 joules).

http://www.mileoakshootingclub.co.uk/8.html

The calculation is based on speed (ft/s) x speed (ft/s) x weight (grain) divide by 450240.

So the cartridges used at WHF:

1080 x 1080 x 40/450240 = 103.62 ft/llbs or 140.50 joules. So based on the Home Office saying 1 foot pound is needed to penetrate skin we can see how lethal the rifle and ammo used at WHF are at close rang providing 103.62 llbs ie >100% than the required force to penetrate skin alone. 

The bullets used were hollowed nose.  Meaning upon impact they expand and open up like a petal.  They are described as being like mini food blenders whizzing around the body tearing through tissue, muscle and organs. 

People who have no knowledge of these things or are unable/unwilling to do any research talk as though the rifle/cartridges are akin to a table tennis bat and ping pong ball ie something that NB would simply bat away with a brush of his hand. 

6' 4" farmer, 24 yoa man, Mike Tyson or little me at 5'3.5" 8st 711bs no one would stand a chance against a child with such a rifle/ammo and a light trigger pull bearing in mind also it is semi-auto capable of holding up to 11 cartridges.

On the other hand, they talk as if SC would be able to walk around the house after one of those bullets were lodged in her neck.

[adam]

If the second shot would have killed Sheila instantly, the first shot from only an inch further down would have knocked her out. This means Sheila was not seen in the kitchen by the police. 

The evidence shows she did not stand up after the first shot. So was not in the kitchen after shooting herself once.

However Sheila also did not have time to go upstairs & shoot herself twice after the police entered WHF. As the first shot would have knocked her out.

[adam]

The only explanation is Sheila read June's bible, then shot herself once prior to 4am. This knocked her out.

She regained conciousness prior to the police entering WHF, stayed upstairs laying in the floor, then shot herself a second time.

There was no reason why Sheila would be in the kitchen at 7am, without the rifle waiting for the police to enter WHF,  if she was planning to committ suicide. She had an earlier 4 hour window to do this upstairs. 

[APRIL]

If the second shot would have killed Sheila instantly, the first shot from only an inch further down would have knocked her out. This means Sheila was not seen in the kitchen by the police. 

The evidence shows she did not stand up after the first shot. So was not in the kitchen after shooting herself once.

However Sheila also did not have time to go upstairs & shoot herself twice after the police entered WHF. As the first shot would have knocked her out.

There seems not to be cohesive opinion about Sheila's position when she received the first shot, ie was she standing? Sitting? Laying?

Standing seems unlikely. She may have fallen in a way that required the perp doing more than pulling her legs out straight. There surely would have been some blood evidence of it?

Sitting? Laying? Possibly somewhere between the two? Her back resting against the bedside table, perhaps? Seeking refuge from the shooter? Whilst there's no evidence of her loosing consciousness after the first shot, I'd have expected her to have been stunned. I accept that whilst her vertebrae weren't smashed, they were grazed -shaved- which would have been more likely to cause her head to loll to one side than enable her to stand upright from floor level, putting strain on her damaged spine.

I think the suggestion is generally regarded as a non starter that she was shot in the kitchen -either by her own hand or a.n.other's- and somehow managed to make her way upstairs.

[adam]

Supporters will quote the expert who said Sheila may have been able to stand after the first shot. However the same expert says the evidence shows Sheila did not do this.

With the first shot being only an inch away from an instantly fatal second shot, the only explanation is the first shot knocked Sheila out but did not kill her.

The carnage inside WHF shows Sheila was determined to committ murder/suicide. There was no reason to wait 3 hours until 7am to fire her first suicide shot.

Sheila read the bible, then fired her first shot around 4am, which knocked her out. A some point within the next 3 hours she regained conciousness, stayed upstairs on the floor & shot herself the second time.

Only a dead Nevill was ever in the kitchen from around 4am. 

Supporters are entitled to believe Sheila shot herself twice.  But it is impossible for Sheila to have been in the kitchen at any time while the police & Jeremy were outside WHF.

[Myster]

The 4th cervical was fractured, APRIL, which I think would have been extremely painful as a result of damage to nerves coming out from the spinal cord...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=668;image

[APRIL]

The 4th cervical was fractured, APRIL, which I think would have been extremely painful as a result of damage to nerves coming out from the spinal cord...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=668;image

Thanks for that confirmation, Myster. Such has always been my belief but some the facts, like many others in this case appear to have transmogrified to the point where often the original is no longer recognizable