Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Angelo222]

It won't look good for amaral and his book.... For tha whole of the initial PJ investigation... For grime and his dogs... For all those saying the McCann's have lied but the dogs haven't.... For the SC...

Is that why it has taken so long to reinvestigate this theory?

[jassi]

Is that why it has taken so long to reinvestigate this theory?

Possibly. I should think it as difficult to prove woke and wandered as it is to prove an abduction from 5A

[Mr Gray]

Is that why it has taken so long to reinvestigate this theory?

Could be its taken that long for the PJ to admit they were wrong in the first place

[barrier]

Could be its taken that long for the PJ to admit they were wrong in the first place

Only if this latest is true and it leads smoewhere.

[Mr Gray]

Only if this latest is true and it leads smoewhere.

The post I responded to said...
If it's eventually established... So my post needs to be read in that context

[G-Unit]

It won't look good for amaral and his book.... For tha whole of the initial PJ investigation... For grime and his dogs... For all those saying the McCann's have lied but the dogs haven't.... For the SC...

Amaral's book described the investigation up to September 2007. The initial investigation dismissed woke and wandered as did the UK police.

Woke and wandered doesn't rule out the possibility of the presence of a body in 5A.

The SC??

[Mr Gray]

Amaral's book described the investigation up to September 2007. The initial investigation dismissed woke and wandered as did the UK police.

Woke and wandered doesn't rule out the possibility of the presence of a body in 5A.

The SC??

Has amaral changed his mind now then... Doesn't say much for the alerts either ...it would, show the initial investigation  had taken the, wring direction.... And amarals thesis was tosh

[Mr Gray]

Amaral's book described the investigation up to September 2007. The initial investigation dismissed woke and wandered as did the UK police.

Woke and wandered doesn't rule out the possibility of the presence of a body in 5A.

The SC??

How could a body be in 5a after woke and wondered

[faithlilly]

It is clear that the police in Portugal have a last decided to again pursue the credible possibility that Madeleine followed her father out of the apartment and came to some harm. This theory doesn't sit well with the parents for obvious reasons but the evidence would seem to point in that direction.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/27/madeleine-mccanns-parents-reject-theory-that-she-wandered-off-looking-for-them-8184086/

Is it clear ? Do we have a verifiable source  for the article ?

What about the dog alerts ? Was he simply wrong when Eddie alerted to only places and items associated with the McCanns ? Or do you believe in more nefarious goings on by Grime ?

And what of Smithman ? Was he connected to the case or are we to believe that it was merely coincidence that the child he was carrying was, physically, almost identical to Madeleine ? Or are we to believe that the driver who, allegedly, knocked Madeleine down didn’t put her in his/her car and went to find help or conceal the body but instead ran around PDL with the child in his/her arms ?

[G-Unit]

Has amaral changed his mind now then... Doesn't say much for the alerts either ...it would, show the initial investigation  had taken the, wring direction.... And amarals thesis was tosh

There was nothing to suggest woke and wandered, as both police forces acknowledged at the time. Perhaps new evidence has emerged.

Amaral's thesis was the investigation's thesis. He wasn't alone.

It doesn't say much for the McCann's thesis either. They said the evidence and their knowledge of their daughter ruled out woke and wandered. What about that moving door, broken raised shutters and open window?

[Brietta]

Anyone with a key can get in regardless.

The locks on my doors can't be opened from outside if there is a key in the inside lock.  I think Carlo Ambrosio expected that too.

[pathfinder73]

Possibly. I should think it as difficult to prove woke and wandered as it is to prove an abduction from 5A

In my opinion woke and wandered cannot be proven. Pamela Fenn was upstairs and heard no sounds of a lost girl looking for her parents. She definitely heard her on Tuesday. Total contradiction to think Maddy would be quiet as a mouse on that night. There's only one way this was done and Smithman was the mastermind.

[Mr Gray]

There was nothing to suggest woke and wandered, as both police forces acknowledged at the time. Perhaps new evidence has emerged.

Amaral's thesis was the investigation's thesis. He wasn't alone.

It doesn't say much for the McCann's thesis either. They said the evidence and their knowledge of their daughter ruled out woke and wandered. What about that moving door, broken raised shutters and open window?

Do I have to say again that my post, should be read in the context of the post it replied to.... I think woke and, wandered is unlikely  and there's no good evidence it is being investigated.... Just the sun

[Alice Purjorick]

That is what I needed to know last year.  Do the snib and the bolt on the lower portion move independently?

No.

[Robittybob1]

No.

How do you know?   For when I investigated it  those two pieces are designed to move at times together and at other times independently.  One can prove this by look at the latch of most modern doors and you will be able to move both together if one was to press the latch bolt  but the other non bevelled bit can move independently without moving the latch The second bolt is there to prevent slipping a plastic card or whatever behind the latch bolt.

Now when Goncalo's security expert examines the front door he talks in Portuguese and we read the closed captions (from memory), but IMO Alexandre Simas  has his words translated incorrectly.  He talks of "screw" which I believe now to be "bolt", for there was no photograph showing a proud screw but we do have a latch with the latch bolt lock.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/04/maddie-truth-of-lie-documentary.htm

"43.25 - Final Evidence

43.28 – With the help from one of the major experts from the Scientific Police, who worked for the Polícia Judiciária, Alexandre Simas, Gonçalo Amaral intends to prove, first, that it was impossible for the child to be abducted, starting by demonstrating that the indications prove that the apartment’s window and door were not forced.

43.47 - How does one open a door like this, without the key?

Alexandre Simas
Expert (Former Polícia Judiciária)

43.51 – This type of apartment door, normally there are only three possibilities: to extract the lock’s cannon, which didn’t happen, or it would have been reported; a false key, a copy or one that was used without permission; or using a malleable material, as long as it’s not locked, it’s introduced, and it makes the lock go back inside. But when it goes in, even if it did, it would hit this screw. If it hits the screw, no matter how much I force it, it doesn’t jump to open the lock for me."

I'm sure now where it says "screw" the right word should have been "bolt".  When talking locks a bolt is not a threaded bolt with a head but a piece of metal that is movable.

But the interesting thing is the this proves beyond a doubt that the rim latch on 5A had been modified  in such a way that "will NOT be able to move both together if one was to press the latch bolt".

In the latch on the front door of 5A the two pieces of metal moved independently at all times