Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Vertigo Swirl]

When the evidence has been investigated for years with no results decisions must be made eventually.

Decisions cannot be made without evidence to accompany it.  What evidence is there that Madeleine woke and wandered?

[faithlilly]

When the evidence has been investigated for years with no results decisions must be made eventually.

But we were told only the other week that the parents had been notified that there was still two leads being followed.

[barrier]

But we were told only the other week that the parents had been notified that there was still two leads being followed.

Going back to that, if woke and wandered is one surely the other must be interlinked how can one be above the other.

[Mr Gray]

Decisions cannot be made without evidence to accompany it.  What evidence is there that Madeleine woke and wandered?

there is no real evidence for woke and wandered......those who claim there is quote the tracker dogs but if the testimony of the handlers is looked at it is very unconvincing...


secondly...what is the evidence that the investigation is looking at woke and wandered...an article in the sun...for those who claim to question everything it really is laughable

[Robittybob1]

Considering the intruder theory for a moment. The shutter could be pushed up from the outside but unless a potential intruder had access to the pull strap they could not get the shutter fully up. It would have been impossible to get to the strap through a closed window and that window couldn't be opened from the outside. IMO the window was opened and the shutter raised from inside and only Kate McCann's prints were found. Little wonder therefore that the police questioned their version of events imo.

As I understand it Kate's fingerprints were all found on the glass of the sliding window.  From her left hand too, and I can't be absolute certain but I think she is right handed. 
You open the window by releasing the catch which was on the central window frame.  IMO if you want to say who opened the window the fingerprints found need to be on the latch.

[Robittybob1]

I don't really give a rats ass whether the forum at large believes me or not.
You need to know how the lock on 5A worked. So far you don't know.
Work it out from photos and "comics" [TDs] already posted or by buying a lock and stripping it.
I think I may have suggested this a year or so ago.

Is that photo relevant to 5A  ?

It shows a latch with the the external "dead latch plunger" components just like that of 5A.  The 5A photos are out of focus and taken without flash and basically they are such poor quality as to to be practically useless.

[Montclair]

But we were told only the other week that the parents had been notified that there was still two leads being followed.

Are we supposed to believe this? We don't know what the police said to the McCanns and any information from a mysterious source should be taken with a mountain of salt.

[faithlilly]

Are we supposed to believe this? We don't know what the police said to the McCanns and any information from a mysterious source should be taken with a mountain of salt.

Of course we’re not but you have to ask where is the latest media blitz coming from and, more importantly, why ?

[Robittybob1]

Decisions cannot be made without evidence to accompany it.  What evidence is there that Madeleine woke and wandered?

IMO with Matt at the door to the kids bedroom he would have heard Madeleine breathing.  Therefore I'd say she wasn't in the bed then.

[Robittybob1]

Neither police force can decide for certain that’s what happened without some pretty compelling evidence.

In my theory there is a "caring person" who closes any open doors or gates.  Therefore if that was to be true it is possible that that person admits to that.  Admits that he went there prior to Kate's visit and found a door open, so he closed it.

[Robittybob1]

In my theory there is a "caring person" who closes any open doors or gates.  Therefore if that was to be true it is possible that that person admits to that.  Admits that he went there prior to Kate's visit and found a door open, so he closed it.

If there was a woke and wandered Kate feels that she would have seen evidence that Madeleine left by either the back or front doors.  She found none, therefore if the woke and wandering theory is to be valid someone else must have been there in the apartment ahead of Kate and altered the scene IMO based on logic.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course we’re not but you have to ask where is the latest media blitz coming from and, more importantly, why ?

I would suggest (at the risk of another accusation of stalking) not giving it too much of your time and energy pondering these questions.  It really isn’t that important is it?

[Alice Purjorick]

It shows a latch with the the external "dead latch plunger" components just like that of 5A.  The 5A photos are out of focus and taken without flash and basically they are such poor quality as to to be practically useless.

It shows a mortice latch with a dead latch plunger right enough but that is not what was fitted to 5A nor are the components similar.
Look at the catalogue TDS for the lock fitted to 5A if you don't like the photos. The TDs are on here somewhere as the lock is like the dogs ....... reams of discussion that went/go nowhere.
If the photos are in your opinion useless how do you make the comparison you have?
If you don't believe me go buy a lock like the one allegedly fitted to 5A, strip it and see how it works.

[Brietta]

He is supposed to be the security expert but doesn't describe the lock -  complete fail IMO.

That wasn't his purpose.

[Robittybob1]

It shows a mortice latch with a dead latch plunger right enough but that is not what was fitted to 5A nor are the components similar.
Look at the catalogue TDS for the lock fitted to 5A if you don't like the photos. The TDs are on here somewhere as the lock is like the dogs ....... reams of discussion that went/go nowhere.
If the photos are in your opinion useless how do you make the comparison you have?
If you don't believe me go buy a lock like the one allegedly fitted to 5A, strip it and see how it works.

I doubt if they have that type over here.  But it is a good idea.  I need to see if the dead latch plunger can be made to move independently of the latch bolt being depressed.

Usual is when the latch bolt is depressed the dead latch plunger moves with it, but when the latch extends into the striker plate the dead latch plunger stays depressed and locks the latch bolt.

Had this been changed in 5A?