Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Vertigo Swirl]

 GM to SF: If you are saying, "Is it theoretically possible that Madeleine left the apartment, then yes.  Do we believe it and do we think she was capable of leaving the apartment the way it was found and by which exit did she leave, then absolutely not.

So she wouldn't leave as the apartment was left.
So in what state would Madeleine leave the apartment in if she wanted to go and find her parents?

Thanks for proving my point.

[barrier]

There is a big difference in the two expressions
"do we think she was capable of leaving the apartment the way it was found...?
"do we think she was capable of leaving the apartment ...?

One is talking about the state of the apartment and the other is the state of the person.

Are not the two interlinked.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Kate never said she wouldn't leave the apartment either.  If you think I'm wrong show me a cite where Kate says she wouldn't.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/590706/Madeleine-McCann-mum-dismisses-claim-wandered-away-Portugal-Kate-This-Morning

[Robittybob1]

Are not the two interlinked.

Well they are both talking about Madeleine.  I believe Gerry is saying Madeleine was capable of leaving the apartment but not capable of leaving the apartment the way it was found.
So if Madeleine left the apartment (which she is capable of doing) someone else has come in and left the apartment the way it was found (found by Kate).

[Brietta]

Are not the two interlinked.

I think Madeleine would have been perfectly capable of reaching the interior handle on the patio doors to push it aside and exit.

There was no handle on the exterior for use in closing the door behind her.

Doing that would have required that she but her hands somewhere on the exterior glass or metal frame to push it across.

To do that would entail leaving fingerprints somewhere on one of the exterior surfaces ... Madeleine left none.

 

[Miss Taken Identity]

I think Madeleine would have been perfectly capable of reaching the interior handle on the patio doors to push it aside and exit.

There was no handle on the exterior for use in closing the door behind her.

Doing that would have required that she but her hands somewhere on the exterior glass or metal frame to push it across.

To do that would entail leaving fingerprints somewhere on one of the exterior surfaces ... Madeleine left none.

Really, not one fingerprint. How odd.  Someone must have wiped them clean. Patio doors with no child prints on them?

OR Madeliene didn't close the patio door, just opened it a little to squeeze out. Perhaps this is where the draft came from to create the  slamming door?

[Robittybob1]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/590706/Madeleine-McCann-mum-dismisses-claim-wandered-away-Portugal-Kate-This-Morning

Was Madeleine capable of opening the patio door - yes
Was Madeline capable of opening the gates - yes.

But is it like she would open and close them leaving the place as it was found?   Kate doesn't think so.
Madeleine would not have left it the way it was found (Kate found the gates closed and the doors closed), so the realisation must be that someone had altered the scene. 
The question then becomes who altered the scene and why was it changed?

Kate accepts that someone entered the apartment, but she is making that person out to be an abductor, whereas I'm saying he was just a person who realised that the gates and doors should be better if they were closed.

[Brietta]

Really, not one fingerprint. How odd.  Someone must have wiped them clean. Patio doors with no child prints on them?

OR Madeliene didn't close the patio door, just opened it a little to squeeze out. Perhaps this is where the draft came from to create the  slamming door?

Precisely and just as I said.  Had Madeleine closed the door behind her she would have left a trace.  Not to mention that she left no trace on the two gates which were also closed.

[Mr Gray]

Really, not one fingerprint. How odd.  Someone must have wiped them clean. Patio doors with no child prints on them?

OR Madeliene didn't close the patio door, just opened it a little to squeeze out. Perhaps this is where the draft came from to create the  slamming door?

were the patio doors checked for prints...   do you have  a cite.....ive seen nothing to say they were

[slartibartfast]

Well they are both talking about Madeleine.  I believe Gerry is saying Madeleine was capable of leaving the apartment but not capable of leaving the apartment the way it was found.
So if Madeleine left the apartment (which she is capable of doing) someone else has come in and left the apartment the way it was found (found by Kate).

Which implies that Gerry thought Madeleine was capable of opening doors and gates but incapable of them.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Was Madeleine capable of opening the patio door - yes
Was Madeline capable of opening the gates - yes.

But is it like she would open and close them leaving the place as it was found?   Kate doesn't think so.
Madeleine would not have left it the way it was found (Kate found the gates closed and the doors closed), so the realisation must be that someone had altered the scene. 
The question then becomes who altered the scene and why was it changed?

Indeed!

maybe the self same person who  closed the alleged open window/shutters?

Let us have a look at who that could be?

[Robittybob1]

Really, not one fingerprint. How odd.  Someone must have wiped them clean. Patio doors with no child prints on them?

OR Madeliene didn't close the patio door, just opened it a little to squeeze out. Perhaps this is where the draft came from to create the  slamming door?

Have you listened to what Kate says and thought each step through?  When you say Perhaps this is where the draft came from to create the  slamming door? it shows me a void, because Kate says she went and checked that the patio door was closed after the bedroom door slammed.

[barrier]

I think Madeleine would have been perfectly capable of reaching the interior handle on the patio doors to push it aside and exit.

There was no handle on the exterior for use in closing the door behind her.

Doing that would have required that she but her hands somewhere on the exterior glass or metal frame to push it across.

To do that would entail leaving fingerprints somewhere on one of the exterior surfaces ... Madeleine left none.

Davel makes a good point.

were the patio doors checked for prints...   do you have  a cite.....ive seen nothing to say they were

[Robittybob1]

Indeed!

maybe the self same person who  closed the alledged open window/shutters?

Let us have a look at who that could be?

Matt was the last known person going through those gates not Gerry.

[barrier]

Have you listened to what Kate says and thought each step through?  When you say Perhaps this is where the draft came from to create the  slamming door? it shows me a void, because Kate says she went and checked that the patio door was closed after the bedroom door slammed.

Why would she need to check if that was her point of entry.