Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[John]

Decisions cannot be made without evidence to accompany it.  What evidence is there that Madeleine woke and wandered?

The most compelling evidence is that of the two GNR police tracker dogs which followed the child's scent out the front door, around the block and mysteriously ended at the lamppost opposite the entrance to mini reception. We know Madeleine knew this route extremely well and being barefooted a fresh scent trail would be easy for these dogs to follow.  There is no other credible reason why the dogs would have taken this route. The fact that the scent ended abruptly would suggest the child was lifted and carried away from the location.

Other evidence would include the absence of any indicators that an intruder attempted to enter or entered the apartment.

[John]

there is no real evidence for woke and wandered......those who claim there is quote the tracker dogs but if the testimony of the handlers is looked at it is very unconvincing...


secondly...what is the evidence that the investigation is looking at woke and wandered...an article in the sun...for those who claim to question everything it really is laughable

Police tracker dogs are generally extremely good at what they do. It matters little whether the second dog simply followed the first dog as suggested by its handler. The fact that the first dog locked onto Madeleine's scent and was able to follow it around the block is compelling as a barefooted child would have been very easy to follow.

As for the Sun story being fiction, I know for a fact it is true and that the Portuguese police are indeed actively investigating the possibility that Madeleine let herself out of apartment 5a and met with an accident in the street outside.

[John]

IMO with Matt at the door to the kids bedroom he would have heard Madeleine breathing.  Therefore I'd say she wasn't in the bed then.

There is no proof these checks at 9pm and 9.30pm ever happened.

[John]

There would have been child fingerprints all over the apartment so finding them was irrelevant as to whether Madeleine opened the front door or the patio door.  In fact, we know she went out the front door every morning before heading to the kids club so was very familiar with that door and how it opened.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There is no proof these checks at 9pm and 9.30pm ever happened.

What was Gerry doing leaving the table and seen by an independent witness (Jez Wilkins) in close proximity to Apt 5 a then?

[The General]

What was Gerry doing leaving the table and seen by an independent witness (Jez Wilkins) in close proximity to Apt 5 a then?

We may never know. We know what he said he was doing.

[kizzy]

Police tracker dogs are generally extremely good at what they do. It matters little whether the second dog simply followed the first dog as suggested by its handler. The fact that the first dog locked onto Madeleine's scent and was able to follow it around the block is compelling as a barefooted child would have been very easy to follow.

As for the Sun story being fiction, I know for a fact it is true and that the Portuguese police are indeed actively investigating the possibility that Madeleine let herself out of apartment 5a and met with an accident in the street outside.

As for the Sun story being fiction, I know for a fact it is true and that the Portuguese police are indeed actively investigating the possibility that Madeleine let herself out of apartment 5a and met with an accident in the street outside.

So in a way, GA was right about the accident -  only it happened outside not in the apartment.

It also is possible imo - one of the tapas 7 or k g found her on one of there checks.

[Angelo222]

There is no proof these checks at 9pm and 9.30pm ever happened.

I assume that these were the checks which Matthew Oldfield was supposed to have made, listening at the bedroom shutter/window at 9pm and going into the apartment at 9.30pm?  If that is true then the shutter was down until at least 9.30pm. Could it be that Maddie was disturbed by all that kerfuffle and had actually gone out between Gerry and Matt's second check?

[faithlilly]

Police tracker dogs are generally extremely good at what they do. It matters little whether the second dog simply followed the first dog as suggested by its handler. The fact that the first dog locked onto Madeleine's scent and was able to follow it around the block is compelling as a barefooted child would have been very easy to follow.

As for the Sun story being fiction, I know for a fact it is true and that the Portuguese police are indeed actively investigating the possibility that Madeleine let herself out of apartment 5a and met with an accident in the street outside.

If Madeleine had been knocked down wouldn’t there be evidence of it on the road ?

[kizzy]

If Madeleine had been knocked down wouldn’t there be evidence of it on the road ?

Maybe not if her injuries were internal - could have possibly leaked later, after being moved.

This has probably been said but IMO anyway-the window door scenario has not been believed.

Or the abduction from the apartment - strange what they were talking to k & g about for several hours.

After all the extra funding will barely cover the wages - of those still on the case.

[Sunny]

They didn't ... there were no child prints found.

Which is odd in itself.

[John]

I assume that these were the checks which Matthew Oldfield was supposed to have made, listening at the bedroom shutter/window at 9pm and going into the apartment at 9.30pm?  If that is true then the shutter was down until at least 9.30pm. Could it be that Maddie was disturbed by all that kerfuffle and had actually gone out between Gerry and Matt's second check?

My mistake, I should have made that clear.  Matt's checks are uncorroborated but Gerry was witnessed coming out of the apartment at around 9.15pm by independent witness Jeremy Wilkins.

Matt certainly claims to have not seen Maddie on his 9.30pm check and that to me suggests that the shutter was still down.

[John]

If Madeleine had been knocked down wouldn’t there be evidence of it on the road ?

Not necessarily. Children can be hit by a car and be knocked unconscious without leaving any evidence behind.  On that point I don't recall the PJ putting out any alerts about local vehicles having mysteriously sustained accident damage on the night of the 3rd May 2007, possibly another failing by the authorities.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not necessarily. Children can be hit by a car and be knocked unconscious without leaving any evidence behind.  On that point I don't recall the PJ putting out any alerts about local vehicles having mysteriously sustained accident damage on the night of the 3rd May 2007, possibly another failing by the authorities.

Can they be knocked down without any subsequent sharp application of brakes which would have been necessary for the motorist to get out and pick up the body, and which often leaves marks on the road?  This spot where the dogs lost Madeleine’s scent, are there no apartments nearby with occupants inside who may have heard a screech of brakes, a scream, a loud thud, a door slam, etc etc?

[faithlilly]

My mistake, I should have made that clear.  Matt's checks are uncorroborated but Gerry was witnessed coming out of the apartment at around 9.15pm by independent witness Jeremy Wilkins.

Matt certainly claims to have not seen Maddie on his 9.30pm check and that to me suggests that the shutter was still down.

Not true. Wilkins could only narrow it down to between 8.45 and 9.15pm. He could be no more accurate than that.