Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Vertigo Swirl]

And later he wasn't so sure

Q. From which direction Gerry travelling when you met'
From previous conversations had with Gerry, I am of the notion of the usual routine of the group in relation to checking on their children when they were in the Tapas Bar. I also was aware of the location of the McCann apartment. Naturally when I met him that night, I assumed that he had gone to check on the children. I cannot affirm if I saw him exactly leaving the apartment through the passageway, and if he was heading towards the tapas Bar.

I thought we had to go on the earlier statements as being more accurate.  Has that changed now?

[Robittybob1]

I thought we had to go on the earlier statements as being more accurate.  Has that changed now?

The early statements are written by the PJ based on questions they asked.   I can't see any reason they would be more accurate.

[Sunny]

I thought we had to go on the earlier statements as being more accurate.  Has that changed now?

My quote from Jeremy Wilkins rogatory was in answer to this question

Q. From which direction Gerry travelling when you met'

It appears that he made the assumption that Gerry McCann was leaving 5a but wasn't sure. All IMO

[G-Unit]

“I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment. We spoke for a few minutes. He said you’re on walking duty. I said I was staying in and [ censored word ] and cons and what to do with the children”.

I find that strange. 'a ground floor'is actually 'a ground floor flat' in the original statement. I have wondered why Jes didn't say 'his' or 'their' flat.

[sadie]

I assume that these were the checks which Matthew Oldfield was supposed to have made, listening at the bedroom shutter/window at 9pm and going into the apartment at 9.30pm?  If that is true then the shutter was down until at least 9.30pm. Could it be that Maddie was disturbed by all that kerfuffle and had actually gone out between Gerry and Matt's second check?

and

My mistake, I should have made that clear.  Matt's checks are uncorroborated but Gerry was witnessed coming out of the apartment at around 9.15pm by independent witness Jeremy Wilkins.

Matt certainly claims to have not seen Maddie on his 9.30pm check and that to me suggests that the shutter was still down.

Matt commented that when he checked at 9.30 ish, the room seemed a bit lighter than he would have expected and that there appeared to be a greenish glow coming via the curtains.   The cutains were blue tones and the light was yellow.   

Blue and yellow mixed make green.

This indicates to me that the shutters were already lifted and dim street light was coming through the curtains.



I am doing this without cites, but I feel confident that what I am saying was in Matts statemments

[sadie]

A good point VS but wasn't it reported that Gerry was away for quite a while, someone mentioned 30 minutes?

That's news to me, John.   Who mentioned 30 minutes?

[Robittybob1]

That's news to me, John.   Who mentioned 30 minutes?

I think that comes from one of the waiters, but it must be a guess that it was Gerry.  I could be wrong.

[Angelo222]

That's news to me, John.   Who mentioned 30 minutes?

Wasn't he away so long that one of the group suggested he might be watching football? 😁

[kizzy]

Wasn't he away so long that one of the group suggested he might be watching football?

Yes seems so -  When Jane and Gerry are disagreeing where they are standing,

Jane says something like I would have said to you K is  moaning - about you being gone a long time watching football

G then cuts her off

Time 1.40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4aBr5PTYY
 



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[Angelo222]

Yes seems so -  When Jane and Gerry are disagreeing where they are standing,

Jane says something like I would have said to you K is  moaning - about you being gone a long time watching football

G then cuts her off

Time 1.40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4aBr5PTYY
 



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Dave Edgar refers to inconsistencies in that video immediately after Jane and Gerry disagree but how could one possibly get that so wrong?

[faithlilly]

Dave Edgar refers to inconsistencies in that video immediately after Jane and Gerry disagree but how could one possibly get that so wrong?

This issue more than any other drives a horse and cart through the argument that the parents wouldn’t provide untrue information that they must know would be discredited later.

[Robittybob1]

This issue more than any other drives a horse and cart through the argument that the parents wouldn’t provide untrue information that they must know would be discredited later.

You make it sound like some were deliberately lying rather than just having a bad recall.

[John]

You make it sound like some were deliberately lying rather than just having a bad recall.

The point being that there are just far too many inconsistencies for them to be considered simple memory failures.

[Brietta]

Did anyone ever give the woke and wandered scenario credence at any time?  The Amaral investigation had put all their eggs into the one basket of parental involvement once they had discarded Murat

No-one has been able to make that one stick over a period of coming up now for nearly twelve years, despite the most intense scrutiny possible.

Bearing in mind they are doctors and not master criminals ... the reason the police had to progress down an investigative path which did not involve them seems self explanatory.

The only mystery is that it seems to have passed some people by entirely.



PJ re-believes Maddie's abduction
03.05.2008 at 5:00 p.m

The Judiciary Police (PJ) is preparing to release the McCann couple from any involvement in the death and disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

A year of investigations was not enough to gather evidence or strong evidence to support an indictment against Kate and Gerry.

According to an official of the PJ, the analysis of the testimony of the seven friends of the couple, collected last month in England, "did not detect contradictions that can not be solved."

Further, the biological traces found in the apartment and in the car rented by the McCanns are insufficient to support the thesis of accidental murder and subsequent concealment of the child's corpse, vanished today.
https://expresso.sapo.pt/dossies/dossiest_actualidade/dos_madeleine_mccan/pj-volta-a-acreditar-no-rapto-de-maddie=f310393#gs.z0vnvGw

[Brietta]

The point being that there are just far too many inconsistencies for them to be considered simple memory failures.

I think if they had all been singing from the same song sheet without deviation ... that would have merited suspicion.