Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[barrier]

We don't know what is happening with Grange.... The article suggests greater co-operation with rogatory letters no longer being needed.... That suggests progress to me

By moving the possible crime scene a few yards to the road? 7+ years for that!

[barrier]

Of course they couldn't,they can only deny that it was from Madeleine.

You need to know the science behind the alert to do that.

Indication of the past presence of a cadaver. 

Make your mind up Rob.

[faithlilly]

We don't know what is happening with Grange.... The article suggests greater co-operation with rogatory letters no longer being needed.... That suggests progress to me

It does indeed.

[Robittybob1]

Make your mind up Rob.

My mind is made up.  Those that recall the theory I put forward in 2016  will know I have always proposed that there was a cadaver in the apartment but it wasn't Madeleine. 

I'm tending to think the new theory by SY and the PJ (if true) is tending to the same conclusion in the end, for how are they going to explain the cadaver dog alerts?

Madeleine leaves alive yet there are cadaver dog alerts.  That is a big mystery IMO.

[barrier]

My mind is made up.  Those that recall the theory I put forward in 2016  will know I have always proposed that there was a cadaver in the apartment but it wasn't Madeleine. 

I'm tending to think the new theory by SY and the PJ (if true) is tending to the same conclusion in the end, for how are they going to explain the cadaver dog alerts?

Madeleine leaves alive yet there are cadaver dog alerts.  That is a big mystery IMO.

Still leaves the option open for my ending,person/person's removed Madeleine without leaving a trace to her whereabouts.

[Vertigo Swirl]

By moving the possible crime scene a few yards to the road? 7+ years for that!

What have the PJ been doing for the last 7+ years then?

[kizzy]

What of it?  It still involves a criminal act and body occultation, only neither perpetrated by the McCanns.  It also makes a nonsense of Martin Grime’s dogs, and the entire “parents dunnit” movement.

 It also makes a nonsense of Martin Grime’s dogs, and the entire “parents dunnit” movement.


Not so - if maddie had been carried back into the apartment imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

 It also makes a nonsense of Martin Grime’s dogs, and the entire “parents dunnit” movement.


Not so - if maddie had been carried back into the apartment imo.

Excuse me, but why would a drunk driver carry Madeleine back to the apartment?  Why would parents, on discovering their daughter run over in the middle of the road decide to do the same and then hide the body? 
That makes very little sense to me.  They would in effect be allowing the driver who killed their child and who didn't stop to get away with a terrible crime against their family.  And you think this is plausible because...?

[Mr Gray]

 It also makes a nonsense of Martin Grime’s dogs, and the entire “parents dunnit” movement.


Not so - if maddie had been carried back into the apartment imo.

All this is supposed to have happened between  8.30 and 10..

A fatal accident... Maddie returned to the apartment.... Then moved out of the apartment all in 90 min..and no one saw anything.. Unrealistic imo

[Mr Gray]

So if the, PJ are considering woke and wandered it's more confirmation the parents, are not suspects

[Vertigo Swirl]

All this is supposed to have happened between  8.30 and 10..

A fatal accident... Maddie returned to the apartment.... Then moved out of the apartment all in 90 min..and no one saw anything.. Unrealistic imo

All the while successfully maintaining the pretense that everything was fine, chatting happily with Jez who said Gerry appeared completely normal.  Was this before or after he had allegedly carried his daughter's body back to the apartment...?! 

[faithlilly]

So if the, PJ are considering woke and wandered it's more confirmation the parents, are not suspects

If the PJ are considering woke and wandered then the only conclusion to be drawn is that they think the parents lied to some extent.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If the PJ are considering woke and wandered then the only conclusion to be drawn is that they think the parents lied to some extent.

What absolute rot.

[jassi]

If the PJ are considering woke and wandered then the only conclusion to be drawn is that they think the parents lied to some extent.

No.no.  Mistaken - jumped to the wrong conclusion,certainly, IMO  but lying?- surely not   

[faithlilly]

No.no.  Mistaken - jumped to the wrong conclusion,certainly, IMO  but lying?- surely not   

You forgot ‘misremembered’ jassi !

Kate misremembered the window and shutter being open. She misremembered the whooshing of the curtains and slamming off the door. Gerry misrembered the moving door,  the place where he stood while talking to Wilkins and also using his key and what door he actually used.

I’ve known people with dementia with a better memory.

If woke and wandered is being considered ( I don’t think it is ) then it can only be bad for the parents.