Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Robittybob1]

So let’s get this straight. I can state as fact that none of the things stated by Kate McCann actually happened as she said, is that correct?

I don't make the rules around here.  You would probably be better to state them as an opinion or as part of a theory.  For how could you cite them as a fact?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't make the rules around here.  You would probably be better to state them as an opinion or as part of a theory.  For how could you cite them as a fact?

Well Miss Taken did, and wasn’t challenged.  Oh for some consistency!

[Robittybob1]

Well Miss Taken did, and wasn’t challenged.  Oh for some consistency!

I read what she writes as being purely opinion.  OK I don't like what she writes but it is opinion so I let it go.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10478.msg507304#msg507304  is that opinion or not? 
MTI says "I mean what I say".    "I say" is like "I think" or "IMO".

[Vertigo Swirl]

I read what she writes as being purely opinion.  OK I don't like what she writes but it is opinion so I let it go.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10478.msg507304#msg507304  is that opinion or not? 
MTI says "I mean what I say".    "I say" is like "I think" or "IMO".

I’ll bear that in mind next time I want to pass off opinion as fact.

[sadie]

I read what she writes as being purely opinion.  OK I don't like what she writes but it is opinion so I let it go.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10478.msg507304#msg507304  is that opinion or not? 
MTI says "I mean what I say".    "I say" is like "I think" or "IMO".

Well it doesn't read that way to me

If it doesn't read that way to me, then it will not read that way to others, IMO



I think that the way that Mistaken presents many of her posts sounds like she is being factual ... and IMO that isn't fair.

It isn't being fair to The Mccanns and it isn't being fair to posters of the opposite persuasion that she has this unbalanced advantsge  IMO



I think that much of it is libellous.  What do others think ?

[Robittybob1]

Well it doesn't read that way to me

If it doesn't read that way to me, then it will not read that way to others, IMO



I think that the way that Mistaken presents many of her posts sounds like she is being factual ... and IMO that isn't fair.

It isn't being fair to The Mccanns and it isn't being fair to posters of the opposite persuasion that she has this unbalanced advantsge  IMO



I think that much of it is libellous.  What do others think ?

I've yet to see many argue against her.  She has these irregular raves and leaves.

OK you have tried to coax a response out of her  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10478.msg507325#msg507325 and  cite.  Fancy asking MTI for a cite!

[Lace]

I've yet to see many argue against her.  She has these irregular raves and leaves.

OK you have tried to coax a response out of her  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10478.msg507325#msg507325 and  cite.  Fancy asking MTI for a cite!

She seems to forget to add IMO a lot of  the time.

[G-Unit]

Well it doesn't read that way to me

If it doesn't read that way to me, then it will not read that way to others, IMO



I think that the way that Mistaken presents many of her posts sounds like she is being factual ... and IMO that isn't fair.

It isn't being fair to The Mccanns and it isn't being fair to posters of the opposite persuasion that she has this unbalanced advantsge  IMO



I think that much of it is libellous.  What do others think ?

I think many posters try to present their opinions as if they were facts. If Madeleine woke and wandered then how to explain why her bedroom door moved three times?

[Robittybob1]

I think many posters try to present their opinions as if they were facts. If Madeleine woke and wandered then how to explain why her bedroom door moved three times?

Can anyone's theory explain it?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think many posters try to present their opinions as if they were facts. If Madeleine woke and wandered then how to explain why her bedroom door moved three times?

What makes you think the door moved three times?

[Robittybob1]

What makes you think the door moved three times?

From recollection, Gerry found the door moved at 9:05 and returned it to the normal position.

Matt at 9:35 finds it open 50 degrees or so. but doesn't touch it.

Kate presumably finds it as Matt had left it, that is not in the position where they would normally leave it.

So I think it moved twice.  Woke and wandered could easily account for the move after Gerry had left it in the correct  position after checking on Madeleine.

It is possible the door moved between Matt's visit and Kate's check.  We have seen both those situations covered in reconstructions and Matt appears to be working with a door more open than what Kate finds it prior to it slamming shut.

[G-Unit]

From recollection, Gerry found the door moved at 9:05 and returned it to the normal position.

Matt at 9:35 finds it open 50 degrees or so. but doesn't touch it.

Kate presumably finds it as Matt had left it, that is not in the position where they would normally leave it.

So I think it moved twice.  Woke and wandered could easily account for the move after Gerry had left it in the correct  position after checking on Madeleine.

It is possible the door moved between Matt's visit and Kate's check.  We have seen both those situations covered in reconstructions and Matt appears to be working with a door more open than what Kate finds it prior to it slamming shut.

Kate says completely open; wider than when Matt saw it.

 She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

[Mr Gray]

Kate says completely open; wider than when Matt saw it.

 She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

Those are not Kate's words... They are the translators

[Robittybob1]

Kate says completely open; wider than when Matt saw it.

 She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

"At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did."

OK problems with translation and understanding come into that.  She says the door was closed to begin with.  But a closed door in my understanding is latched but later it was defined as 5 degrees open.  How open is completely open?
To me "completely open" means it can't be any more open, but we'll never know what was meant in the interview with Kate on the 4th.

When is a window open?  I've just reviewed TTOL and GA makes the point that Kate says the window was completely open, but we've just seen she says the door was "completely open" and the window was just "open" (no degree of openness expressed).

[G-Unit]

"At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did."

OK problems with translation and understanding come into that.  She says the door was closed to begin with.  But a closed door in my understanding is latched but later it was defined as 5 degrees open.  How open is completely open?
To me "completely open" means it can't be any more open, but we'll never know what was meant in the interview with Kate on the 4th.

When is a window open?  I've just reviewed TTOL and GA makes the point that Kate says the window was completely open, but we've just seen she says the door was "completely open" and the window was just "open" (no degree of openness expressed).

Her recreation;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw