Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Sunny]

Those are not Kate's words... They are the translators

These are Kate's words (from madeleine)

Then I noticed that the door to the children's bedroom was open quite wide, not how we'd left it. 

https://books.google.com.ua/books?redir_esc=y&hl=uk&id=PIT6SeWkVcAC&q=door+open#v=snippet&q=door%20open&f=false

[Robittybob1]

Her recreation;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw

OK if that is how she remembers it, the door could have been open a little wider than when Matt visited.
Maybe three movements do need to be accounted for.

[Robittybob1]

"At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did."

OK problems with translation and understanding come into that.  She says the door was closed to begin with.  But a closed door in my understanding is latched but later it was defined as 5 degrees open.  How open is completely open?
To me "completely open" means it can't be any more open, but we'll never know what was meant in the interview with Kate on the 4th.

When is a window open?  I've just reviewed TTOL and GA makes the point that Kate says the window was completely open, but we've just seen she says the door was "completely open" and the window was just "open" (no degree of openness expressed).

This is what GA says about Amy Tierney: 
"Going back to the window, there is no doubt that it was opened at some point. When Amy T., one of the workers from the nursery, heard the alarm drawing attention to the disappearance shortly after 10pm, she went to apartment 5A. She noted that the window was just half-open and the shutter was raised. The twins were still asleep."

At the end of the book he mentions her again:
"3. The only person to have seen that window open with the shutters raised is Amy, one of the play workers from the children's centre of the Ocean Club. She made that observation at around 10.20/1030pm, which means well after the alert - which doesn't exclude that the window could have been closed at the time of the criminal act."

It could also be that open and half open are describing the same degree of openness.  Also he could be wrong about there being a criminal act.  What criminal act is he talking about?

[Robittybob1]

Chapter 18:
"On the window, there were no signs of a break-in or of gloves. It had been cleaned the day before, May 2nd, by an Ocean Club employee, and the only fingerprints found were Kate's. The position of the fingerprints indicate that the window had been opened to the left, as Kate Healy stated: "the window was fully open to the left." There is no doubt that somebody opened that window on the evening of May 3rd and the only fingerprints found on it were those of Kate Healy. The manager of the Ocean Club's crèche, who went to the apartment after the alarm was raised, remarked that, "the window was partially open to the left," confirming Kate's earlier statement."

Did Kate ever say "the window was fully open to the left."?

[Sunny]

Chapter 18:
"On the window, there were no signs of a break-in or of gloves. It had been cleaned the day before, May 2nd, by an Ocean Club employee, and the only fingerprints found were Kate's. The position of the fingerprints indicate that the window had been opened to the left, as Kate Healy stated: "the window was fully open to the left." There is no doubt that somebody opened that window on the evening of May 3rd and the only fingerprints found on it were those of Kate Healy. The manager of the Ocean Club's crèche, who went to the apartment after the alarm was raised, remarked that, "the window was partially open to the left," confirming Kate's earlier statement."

Did Kate ever say "the window was fully open to the left."?

She said it was wide open in her book Rob.

My heart lurched as I saw that, behind them, the window was wide open and the shutters on the outside raised all the way up.

https://books.google.com.ua/books?redir_esc=y&hl=uk&id=PIT6SeWkVcAC&q=window+open#v=snippet&q=window%20open&f=false


Kate McCann's 4th May statement

At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.


https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

[Robittybob1]

She said it was wide open in her book Rob.

My heart lurched as I saw that, behind them, the window was wide open and the shutters on the outside raised all the way up.

https://books.google.com.ua/books?redir_esc=y&hl=uk&id=PIT6SeWkVcAC&q=window+open#v=snippet&q=window%20open&f=false


Kate McCann's 4th May statement

At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.


https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

I think in a situation like Kate found she could say the window was "wide open"  even if in fact it was half open.

[Eleanor]

I think in a situation like Kate found she could say the window was "wide open"  even if in fact it was half open.

Semantics again.  This was always a good one with which to bash The McCanns.

[Mr Gray]

I think in a situation like Kate found she could say the window was "wide open"  even if in fact it was half open.

the voice of reason.....i beleive murats stateemnt contains several corrections

[Robittybob1]

the voice of reason.....i beleive murats stateemnt contains several corrections

I have never read it.

[Brietta]

I have never read it.

The Murat statements are well worth a read ...  every time the disingenuous accusation is made of changes to statements and "discrepancies" I think of the master class in both he gives.


Don't you think the "half open" description for the window is due to the construction?  When the widow is fully open the pane of glass has been slid side aside and covers the pane of glass which is static ... therefore when fully open the window is indeed half opened ... making both descriptions accurate and exactly as described by Kate.

[Eleanor]

The Murat statements are well worth a read ...  every time the disingenuous accusation is made of changes to statements and "discrepancies" I think of the master class in both he gives.


Don't you think the "half open" description for the window is due to the construction?  When the widow is fully open the pane of glass has been slid side aside and covers the pane of glass which is static ... therefore when fully open the window is indeed half opened ... making both descriptions accurate and exactly as described by Kate.

Thank You.  That is the truth of the matter.

[The General]

Thank You.  That is the truth of the matter.

I'm a window half-open kinda guy.

[Eleanor]

I'm a window half-open kinda guy.

With one static window it could have been deemed fully open or half open.  Why are we arguing this point?  Those blimmin Semantics again.

[Mr Gray]

With one static window it could have been deemed fully open or half open.  Why are we arguing this point?  Those blimmin Semantics again.

The reason the point us being argued is because there us no real evidence against the mccanns but posters who believe they are guilty have to try and manufacture some.... Imo

[Eleanor]

The reason the point us being argued is because there us no real evidence against the mccanns but posters who believe they are guilty have to try and manufacture some.... Imo

Ah, I see.  So Kate having had a confab with Gerry at the dinner table when everyone was listening, or not, Kate decided to make a cock of their alibi by saying that a window that couldn't actually be fully opened actually was fully open. 
Okay.