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Offline jassi

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1020 on: May 27, 2019, 09:45:00 AM »
Why would Gilet need to post under another name?

Why would anyone ? However we do seem to have had several reincarnations over the years
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1021 on: May 27, 2019, 09:45:21 AM »
As I said, others in Portugal thought there was a case to answer;

Former minister of internal affairs Rui Pereira slammed Portuguese cops for
not making Kate, 48, and 47-year-old dad Gerry suspects for abandonment.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1151476/revealed-why-the-portuguese-police-didnt-charge-mccanns-for-childrens-abandonment-after-maddie-disappeared/

Ricardo Paiva;
“They should have been pursued for neglect. People have been arrested for far less – even in the UK.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

British people agreed;
according to media lawyer Mark Lewis, who said the parents might have been charged with child neglect had they come from a less privileged background.
Read more at https://talkradio.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-if-parents-had-been-black-and-council-estate-they-might-have-been-charged#IEfM6OfDyIMIpMxP.99

The Judicial police ~ the Public Prosecutors and the Attorney General of Portugal were instrumental in issuing  legal documentation which confirmed the innocence of Kate and Gerry McCann ... and Robert Murat ... of any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance ... and in the case of Kate and Gerry of abandonment or neglect.

The archiving report drew the line under the Amaral hysteria and the failed investigation of 2007 and opened the door for her parents to invigorate a continued search for Madeleine.

That was the start of a completely new phase.  Kate and Gerry's endeavours on Madeleine's behalf ultimately bore fruit with Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria taking over with two formal police investigations in 2013 which continues till this day.

I have no idea why the investigation is still a live one after all these years ... but I expect we will eventually discover that there is a lot of meat on the bones.
Two national police forces just do not have the time or resources to devote to a case ... nor would they be allowed to ... unless it is very much  in the public interest.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1022 on: May 27, 2019, 09:48:18 AM »
Why would anyone ? However we do seem to have had several reincarnations over the years
Gilet still has an active account.  It would be good for this forum if they started posting again as they made excellent contributions to the discussions. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1023 on: May 27, 2019, 09:52:55 AM »
Gilet still has an active account.  It would be good for this forum if they started posting again as they made excellent contributions to the discussions.

Like a lot of us, she probably got fed up with repeating known facts.  However, Gilet's contributions were way better than mine.

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1024 on: May 27, 2019, 10:24:49 AM »
As I said, others in Portugal thought there was a case to answer;

Former minister of internal affairs Rui Pereira slammed Portuguese cops for
not making Kate, 48, and 47-year-old dad Gerry suspects for abandonment.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1151476/revealed-why-the-portuguese-police-didnt-charge-mccanns-for-childrens-abandonment-after-maddie-disappeared/

Ricardo Paiva;
“They should have been pursued for neglect. People have been arrested for far less – even in the UK.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

British people agreed;
according to media lawyer Mark Lewis, who said the parents might have been charged with child neglect had they come from a less privileged background.
Read more at https://talkradio.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-if-parents-had-been-black-and-council-estate-they-might-have-been-charged#IEfM6OfDyIMIpMxP.99

Don't you think the Attorney General addressed the comments made in the cites you have provided which which clearly contradict his legal ruling making them total irrelevances?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1025 on: May 27, 2019, 11:22:29 AM »
Don't you think the Attorney General addressed the comments made in the cites you have provided which which clearly contradict his legal ruling making them total irrelevances?

I don't know what the Attorney General said, do you have a cite?

The prosecutors reasons for their decision not to charge the McCanns with abandonment or neglect were confused imo.

Despite being unable to identify the crime committed against Madeleine, they said this;

"The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments."

Abduction hasn't been shown to have taken place, so how can it be used to justify the psrent's actions?

 


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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1026 on: May 27, 2019, 11:28:31 AM »
I don't know what the Attorney General said, do you have a cite?

The prosecutors reasons for their decision not to charge the McCanns with abandonment or neglect were confused imo.

Despite being unable to identify the crime committed against Madeleine, they said this;

"The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments."

Abduction hasn't been shown to have taken place, so how can it be used to justify the psrent's actions?
The prosecutors seem to realise that abduction was the most likely possibility, even if you don't. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1027 on: May 27, 2019, 11:38:13 AM »
Did the prosecutor really say that? Cite please?
"The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments."
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1028 on: May 27, 2019, 11:40:56 AM »
I don't know what the Attorney General said, do you have a cite?

The prosecutors reasons for their decision not to charge the McCanns with abandonment or neglect were confused imo.

Despite being unable to identify the crime committed against Madeleine, they said this;

"The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments."

Abduction hasn't been shown to have taken place, so how can it be used to justify the parent's actions?

"the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments"  makes it sound that if the McCanns were to be charged they would need to consider charge each parent "of any of the children that were in their respective apartments".

So either no one charged or all 4 families charged.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1029 on: May 27, 2019, 11:42:46 AM »
Did the prosecutor really say that? Cite please?
The word "seem" makes it an opinion and we don't expect cites for opinions, sorry.
VS said "The prosecutors seem to realise that abduction was the most likely possibility, even if you don't".
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1030 on: May 27, 2019, 11:46:05 AM »
The word "seem" makes it an opinion and we don't expect cites for opinions, sorry.
Being the obliging sort, I supplied one anyway.  Should have just written "Roger Moore" now, I realise. 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1031 on: May 27, 2019, 11:47:32 AM »
The prosecutors seem to realise that abduction was the most likely possibility, even if you don't.

What they're doing, just as the McCanns did, is ignoring all the pther reasons why small children shouldn't be left alone. Fear of abduction is not the only or even the main reason not to do that,
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1032 on: May 27, 2019, 11:49:34 AM »
Being the obliging sort, I supplied one anyway.  Should have just written "Roger Moore" now, I realise.
Personally it seemed to me that your attempt at providing a cite to prove "the prosecutors seem to realise that abduction was the most likely possibility" was a fail.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1033 on: May 27, 2019, 11:51:30 AM »
So it's the "most likely" possibility in VS's opinion. That's fine then, just a pity she didn't say it was her opinion. That clears that up.
"It seems" is a statement of opinion, not fact, do you not recognise it as such?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1034 on: May 27, 2019, 11:52:15 AM »
Personally it seemed to me that your attempt at providing a cite to prove "the prosecutors seem to realise that abduction was the most likely possibility" was a fail.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.  I disagree, as it would seem does G-Unit.
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