What to do in the event of a fire in Block 5? Or in apartment 5A?

[kizzy]

As Ive described.. Ones an accident the other makes the whole family victims of a crime so they are quite different

Now back in the real world - you don't know the whole family is victims of a crime.

It is only yo - whereas it could be  only maddie who is the victim of a crime IMO.

[Alice Purjorick]

Did these laws, apply to all businesses IR just those with a certain number of employees... The point is H&S.. are much more rigidly enforced now... There had been change

The point is that your contention that in your profession it was only during last ten years [ten years of what ? time? or your career?]any one took notice of their obligations under fire regs is clearly at variance with reality. Unless of course you retired pre 1981. Even then it would beg the question why was legislation ignored at all by your profession.
I suggest you read all the legislation it only goes back about a century so don't reply before about Friday.
Fire legislation does not come under the HSE unless it is a fire on a construction site.

[Mr Gray]

The point is that your contention that in your profession it was only during last ten years [ten years of what ? time? or your career?]any one took notice of their obligations under fire regs is clearly at variance with reality. Unless of course you retired pre 1981. Even then it would beg the question why was legislation ignored at all by your profession.
I suggest you read all the legislation it only goes back about a century so don't reply before about Friday.
Fire legislation does not come under the HSE unless it is a fire on a construction site.

I can reply now... It's only around the last ten years from today that the law Re fire training has been enforced in my profession...

[Mr Gray]

Now back in the real world - you don't know the whole family is victims of a crime.

It is only yo - whereas it could be  only maddie who is the victim of a crime IMO.

Read the post again....

[G-Unit]

As Ive described.. Ones an accident the other makes the whole family victims of a crime so they are quite different

When criminals are tried it is for the harm they caused to their victim, not their victim's family. The victim of any crime committed on 3rd May was Madeleine McCann.

[kizzy]

Read the post again....

Why the first time was bad enough

[jassi]

When criminals are tried it is for the harm they caused to their victim, not their victim's family. The victim of any crime committed on 3rd May was Madeleine McCann.

Yes, anyone else affected is just collateral damage.

[Mr Gray]

When criminals are tried it is for the harm they caused to their victim, not their victim's family. The victim of any crime committed on 3rd May was Madeleine McCann.

You have obviously never heard of a victim impact statement given by family members.... Your post is just wrong 

Under the revised (2015) Victims' Code, a "victim" is defined as:

A natural person who has suffered harm, including physical, mental or emotional harm or economic loss which was directly caused by a criminal offence;
A close relative of a person whose death was directly caused by a criminal offence. "Close relative" is defined as the spouse, the partner, the relatives in direct line, the siblings and the dependants of the victim. Other family members, including guardians and carers, may be considered close relatives at the discretion of the service provider.www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/victims-crime-code-practice-cps-legal-guidance

[Mr Gray]

Why the first time was bad enough

You need to read the post in context otherwise you won't understand it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

When criminals are tried it is for the harm they caused to their victim, not their victim's family. The victim of any crime committed on 3rd May was Madeleine McCann.

What’s a victim impact statement for then, in cases involving murder?

[Vertigo Swirl]

You have obviously never heard of a victim impact statement given by family members.... Your post is just wrong 

Under the revised (2015) Victims' Code, a "victim" is defined as:

A natural person who has suffered harm, including physical, mental or emotional harm or economic loss which was directly caused by a criminal offence;
A close relative of a person whose death was directly caused by a criminal offence. "Close relative" is defined as the spouse, the partner, the relatives in direct line, the siblings and the dependants of the victim. Other family members, including guardians and carers, may be considered close relatives at the discretion of the service provider.www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/victims-crime-code-practice-cps-legal-guidance

Oh, snap!

[jassi]

What’s a victim impact statement for then, in cases involving murder?

To make people feel better?

Just part of this new PC touchy-feely world we now live in.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, anyone else affected is just collateral damage.

So you wouldn’t describe the parents of the children murdered by Brady and Hindley,as victims of a crime then?  Only as “collateral damage”?

[Vertigo Swirl]

To make people feel better?

Just part of this new PC touchy-feely world we now live in.

So better get used to it.  Parents of murdered or abducted children are classed as victims too.

[jassi]

So you wouldn’t describe the parents of the children murdered by Brady and Hindley,as victims of a crime then?  Only as “collateral damage”?

That's right.