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Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #405 on: March 27, 2019, 05:41:50 PM »
Not suspects... No evidence... Fact

No knowledge.....fact.

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« Reply #406 on: March 27, 2019, 05:45:25 PM »
Can you imagine the speed with which the parents would contact their lawyers if it was even suggested that they hadn’t been ruled out of the investigation ?

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« Reply #407 on: March 27, 2019, 05:49:05 PM »
It goes without saying that CSI and cadaver dogs are an invaluable resource in any missing person investigation. Certainly, errors are made occasionally like with most things, scent and cadaver detection can be prone to all sorts of external factors.  Every dog is unique and no two dogs ever receive the exact same training. These dogs have solved many cases which would otherwise remain unsolved.
From what I've seen cadaver and CSI dogs have been responsible for solving very.. Very.. Few cases... With good detective skills being far more important...
Prior to Luz Eddie only found one body.... And one since... In both PDL and Jersey the dogs discovered nothing of value..it's all hype.. Imo
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« Reply #408 on: March 27, 2019, 06:20:13 PM »
Can you imagine the speed with which the parents would contact their lawyers if it was even suggested that they hadn’t been ruled out of the investigation ?
Don’t be silly please. 
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

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Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #409 on: March 27, 2019, 07:58:13 PM »
You are making an assumption that the alerts are always correct... We have no way of knowing if that is correct... I don't blame the dogs for anything as the dogs themselves have never made any claims... The fault... IMO.. Lies with the human interpretation of the alerts ...it's important to remember that the alerts themselves have no evidential reliability or value
The dog alerting is a type of claim.
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« Reply #410 on: March 27, 2019, 08:03:46 PM »
The dog alerting is a type of claim.

What di you mean by that
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« Reply #411 on: March 27, 2019, 08:08:42 PM »
What di you mean by that
I'm thinking the dog is saying "I have found what I'm trained to find and I want my reward".  So the dog is making a claim.

You could multiply that with the reliability estimate from training with known samples.  So for Grime's dogs you get 95% of the time that claim is correct.
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« Reply #412 on: March 27, 2019, 08:13:48 PM »
I'm thinking the dog is saying "I have found what I'm trained to find and I want my reward".  So the dog is making a claim.

You could multiply that with the reliability estimate from training with known samples.  So for Grime's dogs you get 95% of the time that claim is correct.
Si when the coconut was discovered Eddie was doing tbe same... From what I have read what you cannot do is speculate and decide what the dog is thinking..
Keela alerted... No blood found.. Alert not corroborated... According to the experts
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« Reply #413 on: March 27, 2019, 08:18:38 PM »
Si when the coconut was discovered Eddie was doing tbe same... From what I have read what you cannot do is speculate and decide what the dog is thinking..
Keela alerted... No blood found.. Alert not corroborated... According to the experts

Eddie never found a coconut.   A human decided that is what the dog alerted to.  Try and get a dog to say coconut!

If you have an animal companion you definitely get to know what they are thinking.  If you think you can tell what a kid is thinking, same for a companion animal IMO.

What would prevent a cadaver lying across a piece of coconut shell and this resulting in transference of cadaver odour?
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« Reply #414 on: March 27, 2019, 08:21:38 PM »
Eddie never found a coconut.   A human decided that is what the dog alerted to.  Try and get a dog to say coconut!

If you have an animal companion you definitely get to know what they are thinking.  If you think you can tell what a kid is thinking, same for a companion animal IMO.
I absolutely agree with you re your first statement...Keela never found this sample...a human decided what the dog alerted to....I have  a Wondeful German Shepeherd
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« Reply #415 on: March 27, 2019, 08:24:00 PM »
I absolutely agree with you re your first statement...Keela never found this sample...a human decided what the dog alerted to....I have  a Wondeful German Shepeherd
And have you tried to work out what your dog wants from time to time? 
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« Reply #416 on: March 27, 2019, 08:24:45 PM »
Eddie never found a coconut.   A human decided that is what the dog alerted to.  Try and get a dog to say coconut!

If you have an animal companion you definitely get to know what they are thinking.  If you think you can tell what a kid is thinking, same for a companion animal IMO.

What would prevent a cadaver lying across a piece of coconut shell and this resulting in transference of cadaver odour?

this is what makes the alerts basically useless without corroborating evidence
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« Reply #417 on: March 27, 2019, 08:26:10 PM »
And have you tried to work out what your dog wants from time to time?

not sure what relevance taht has...it could be taht once the cadaver dog gets tired...he alerts knowing he will get a reward...may expalin all the unconfirmed alerts
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« Reply #418 on: March 27, 2019, 08:30:43 PM »
not sure what relevance taht has...it could be taht once the cadaver dog gets tired...he alerts knowing he will get a reward...may expalin all the unconfirmed alerts
While Eddie or Keela were working I never saw them being rewarded.  Maybe they don't get rewarded on actual forensic searches.

Which seems right IMO as the handler can never be certain the dog is correct or not.
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« Reply #419 on: March 27, 2019, 08:34:26 PM »
While Eddie or Keela were working I never saw them being rewarded.  Maybe they don't get rewarded on actual forensic searches.

Which seems right IMO as the handler can never be certain the dog is correct or not.

need to ask Grime..i dont trust the alerts...particularly cuddle cat
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