At Last a Podcast from the Experts.

[G-Unit]

I've read about the case...

Where does it say it wasn't difficult once they had his name?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Where does it say it wasn't difficult once they had his name?

Once you’ve got a name it becomes very much easier to crack the case by amassing evidence against the named individual, or do you disagree?

[Mr Gray]

Where does it say it wasn't difficult once they had his name?

its obvious...they had his name...they had a statement he was a violent rapist...he had a white van.....how difficuly wsa it to make the connection

[Robittybob1]

its obvious...they had his name...they had a statement he was a violent rapist...he had a white van.....how difficuly wsa it to make the connection

So that is an assumption.

[Mr Gray]

So that is an assumption.

no its not an assumption...its a fact....sutton wa sgiven belfields violent history...are you familiar withe the case

[Robittybob1]

As far as I can see Laura Richards is a bit thick.  At approximately 41 minutes into Episode 183 she raises the issue of Cuddle Cat and makes quite a major investigatory finding based on the fact that the toy was left behind.

IMO if Madeleine was woken during the night her concern would be to find her Mum and Dad and since the room was dark she would not have the ability to find her shoes or to find cuddle cat.

To me it is ridiculous to say Madeleine didn't leave the apartment on her own (what we call woke and wandered) just based on the fact that cuddle cat was left behind.

Jim Clemente can he heard making a grunting sound which can be interpreted as agreeing with Laura, but I wonder if he had really thought that one through properly.

He partially argues that if Madeleine did always take the toy with her, that may have been a sign to Kate.  But as far as I know Madeleine didn't take cuddle cat with her continually, or did she?

It may have been something used to help Madeleine go off to sleep, something to cuddle.

Jim Clemente says his belief is that someone is holding Madeleine against her wishes or has killed her and hidden her body (current outcome).   That is a sensible choice but the question then becomes did this start from within the apartment or from a place outside the apartment.
IMO those two options remain regardless as to what her current outcome is.

[John]

As far as I can see Laura Richards is a bit thick.  At approximately 41 minutes into Episode 183 she raises the issue of Cuddle Cat and makes quite a major investigatory finding based on the fact that the toy was left behind.

IMO if Madeleine was woken during the night her concern would be to find her Mum and Dad and since the room was dark she would not have the ability to find her shoes or to find cuddle cat.

To me it is ridiculous to say Madeleine didn't leave the apartment on her own (what we call woke and wandered) just based on the fact that cuddle cat was left behind.

Jim Clemente can he heard making a grunting sound which can be interpreted as agreeing with Laura, but I wonder if he had really thought that one through properly.

He partially argues that if Madeleine did always take the toy with her, that may have been a sign to Kate.  But as far as I know Madeleine didn't take cuddle cat with her continually, or did she?

It may have been something used to help Madeleine go off to sleep, something to cuddle.

Jim Clemente says his belief is that someone is holding Madeleine against her wishes or has killed her and hidden her body (current outcome).   That is a sensible choice but the question then becomes did this start from within the apartment or from a place outside the apartment.
IMO those two options remain regardless as to what her current outcome is.

It appears that the woke and wandered theory is gaining prominence at last after ten years of being ridiculed.

[Robittybob1]

It appears that the woke and wandered theory is gaining prominence at last after ten years of being ridiculed.

It is 12 years now.  The early reports were that people were looking for a girl that had wandered off and that she was likely asleep under a tree somewhere and will be soon found.  It certainly wasn't ridiculed that first night. 

What I'd like to understand was when did that change?

OK there is the problem of explaining a raised shutter and open window if Madeleine wasn't abducted, but in my mind they are explained by an attempted burglary (and that is proposed as the event that wakes Madeleine), Maybe she goes and hides and later escapes via the front door.  There doesn't have to be the immediate exit from the apartment.  Madeleine could have been hiding in the apartment when Matt arrives.  Hiding quietly and escaped afterwards.

[Mr Gray]

It appears that the woke and wandered theory is gaining prominence at last after ten years of being ridiculed.

As is the innocence of the parents... And that's still being ridiculed

[G-Unit]

no its not an assumption...its a fact....sutton wa sgiven belfields violent history...are you familiar withe the case

It's clear you're not imo.

[Mr Gray]

It's clear you're not imo.

I am... All the facts are in the public domain... Would Sutton have found belfield without him being given the name and his extremely violent  history... Probably not imo

[Mr Gray]

It's clear you're not imo.

Could you explain on what evidence you base your opinion... I think you are, simply basing your opinion on basis... You are, welcome to prove me wrong... I doubt you can

[Robittybob1]

Could you explain on what evidence you base your opinion... I think you are, simply basing your opinion on basis... You are, welcome to prove me wrong... I doubt you can

I would think this will take the thread well off track.

[Mr Gray]

I would think this will take the thread well off track.

Then gunits accusation should be removed... It's total mudslinging... I'm very familiar with the case... It's unfair to make baseless allegations

[Brietta]

It appears that the woke and wandered theory is gaining prominence at last after ten years of being ridiculed.

I don't see that, John.

How can the suppositions of three individuals with absolutely no  working knowledge or experience of Madeleine's case have any relevance ... their ruminations carry no more weight than do ours.

They are discussing a police investigation in a historical context as if it were a 'cold case' which began and ended with the failure to determine what crime had been committed against Madeleine.

Which I think totally ignores the fact that whether jointly or severally Scotland Yard and the Judicial police are currently undertaking investigations into an abduction with Madeleine at the heart of it.

I have seen nothing emanating from current police sources suggesting any other line of enquiry ... as far as I am concerned the present 'woke and wandered' discussion is the brainchild of podcasters who have been driving the agenda for the past few months in the necessary lack of official news at a the current sensitive stage of a live investigation.

The police are probably quite happy to have the heat taken off them while they get on with the job in hand.