The timeline revisited

[sadie]

What trace evidence would you expect the perp to leave behind? 

We don't know what the motive would have been for abduction or anything about the perp eg previous or post offending. 

If the perp entered with the intention of abducting MM then I don't see why he/she would want to harm the twins in the apartment or be concerned they were now in a room with a window/shutter open?  If the person had a conscience and sense of morality he/she would not have entered 5a let alone abduct a child.

I think it is kinder to use the name Madeleine than MM or MBM.    The later two depersonalize her.


As a matter of courtesy to her, I think her correct name should be used.


Sorry this is late. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Leaving small chidren home alone is stupid. Not locking them in is even more stupid. Yet the McCanns say that;s what they did. They also say that someone opened the shutter and window for no apparent reason. In my opinion they should have been surprised if no one commented, not surprised that people dud. I've never heard such a load of rubbish in my life. Claiming that MBM was abducted is just more of the same imo.

You seem to be putting emotion ahead of reason in this post, I thought you were above that tbh.  What is “a load of rubbish” and why is it “a load of rubbish”? 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Instead it casts doubt on woke and wandered. So if it was staged who might want to do that?

Obviously not the McCanns as they “un-staged” it before the police arrived which I think even you have acknowledged makes no sense at all.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Sedation has been a feature of the case. As far as I can gather this idea was driven by MBM's mother. I am therefore led to wonder why? One possible explanation is that an autopsy would have found sedatives in the body had it been found.

The time of the alarm isn't confirmed by any independent witnesses. DW's evidence tells us that one of the parents was unaccounted for until 15 minutes after the alarm was raised.

DW?  Were both McCanns absent from the table when the alarm was raised?

[Robittybob1]

You seem to think abduction is the only danger parents need to worry about when leaving children home alone. It's not, there are many dangers which make it unacceptable. Dangers which passers by wouldn't prevent.

Such as?

[Robittybob1]

I bet that little slogan made the criminal fraternity's kecks roll up.

Kecks??/ WTF is that?

[Robittybob1]

Please explain.

Answers from Pathfinder are rare indeed.  "It is simple as Smithman's identity will prove".

[Miss Taken Identity]

Sedation has been a feature of the case. As far as I can gather this idea was driven by MBM's mother. I am therefore led to wonder why? One possible explanation is that an autopsy would have found sedatives in the body had it been found.

The time of the alarm isn't confirmed by any independent witnesses. DW's evidence tells us that one of the parents was unaccounted for until 15 minutes after the alarm was raised.

Yes indeed. Post mortems reveal many things- hence  reasons why bodies are disposed of.

People now getting upset about using Initials . Oh boy.   Many interviews by the loving parents we were told about a 'little girl' is missing- and Gerry spelling his daughters name wrong and Kate with her Capital missing... whatever next!

[sadie]

Yes indeed. Post mortems reveal many things- hence  reasons why bodies are disposed of.

People now getting upset about using Initials . Oh boy.   Many interviews by the loving parents we were told about a 'little girl' is missing- and Gerry spelling his daughters name wrong and Kate with her Capital missing... whatever next!

Have you any idea how callous you sound?


Have you any idea what the loss of Madeleine would do to her parents?   

In my case despite the fact that I was expecting my sons death [brain tumor],.. but then 6 weeks after his death, took up a commitment to a job that had kindly been kept open for me. 

I would be teaching on the mezzanine floor and need some materials from the floor half above ... just a matter of some 5 steps up and a distance of about 20 feet ... and by the time I got there I had forgotten what i had come for.

This didn't happen every time, but it happened frequently and it went on, only easing somewhat after the 1st anniversary of his death.   Madeleines parents minds must have been reeling:  racing thoughts, periods of blankness; it must have been terrible ... and then to suffer the hatred from people who were ignorant of facts and yet were prepared to make their lives even more abismal by continually spreading malicious disinformation about them

To be frank, Mistaken, I find your criticism of the Mccanns in such a position very callous


Your thoughtless disdain of Madeleine shows clearly by your repeated use of her initials rather than name.  Does this abuse put you on a high, I wonder?

[Angelo222]

I think it is kinder to use the name Madeleine than MM or MBM.    The later two depersonalize her.


As a matter of courtesy to her, I think her correct name should be used.


Sorry this is late.

I think you are being too picky Sadie. I always refer to her as Maddie, am I being discourteous too?

[Angelo222]

Regardless of their claimed best intentions, the checking didn't always happen every 30 minutes as evidenced by Mrs Fenn's account of what occurred on the night of the 1st May. When the McCanns and the others put pen to paper in order to give credibility to their checking regime, they weren't aware that the woman who was resident two floors above the McCann's apartment was keeping tabs on their comings and goings. The ironic aspect about all this however is that had Mrs Fenn reported the children crying to the resort manager as she was minded to do, the child might not have disappeared two nights later.

[Brietta]

Regardless of their claimed best intentions, the checking didn't always happen every 30 minutes as evidenced by Mrs Fenn's account of what occurred on the night of the 1st May.

I might have gone for that one had there been any proof given of the phone call made to her friend Edna Glynn if the phone records backed it up ... but they don't do they?

[Robittybob1]

I might have gone for that one had there been any proof given of the phone call made to her friend Edna Glynn if the phone records backed it up ... but they don't do they?

Do you know Mrs Fenn's and Edna's phone numbers?

[ShiningInLuz]

I might have gone for that one had there been any proof given of the phone call made to her friend Edna Glynn if the phone records backed it up ... but they don't do they?

What phone records for 1st May?

[Brietta]

What phone records for 1st May?

The same phone records which enabled scrutiny of Malinka, Murat and uncle Tom Cobley n'all phone calls which have concentrated the minds of the denizens of internet fora for the past twelve years.