The timeline revisited

[G-Unit]

You wrote
Quote from: G-Unit on November 12, 2021, 07:06:58 PM

That refers specifically to critical case investigations. I'm sure the dogs were used previously to provide intelligence, but maybe not always in that kind of investigation.

I replied:

Can you give an example of the sort of case where cadaver and blood dog intelligence might have been called upon in court prior to 2005 that weren’t homicide or abduction cases?

Now, can give an answer to this or not?  You say you are sure of something but seem unwilling to back up your claim, any reason for that?

I don't understand the question. Why would a cadaver dog be used in non homicide cases?

[G-Unit]

It doesnt matter..he contradicted himself...that is the bottom line.
He also contradicts Grime.

He did indeed, and the interesting question is why.

[Mr Gray]

He did indeed, and the interesting question is why.

I've already given my explanation and supplied evidence.
It was a relatively new idea that Harrison had come up with and had not been properly thought through. I wonder why Grime felt it necessary to give such an extensive CV to the investigation extolling his skills and experience.  Of course the PJ then ran away with the idea that the alerts wrte proof... Fact... Thats another reason why it was necessary for Harrison to bring things back to reality

[G-Unit]

I've already given my explanation and supplied evidence.
It was a relatively new idea that Harrison had come up with and had not been properly thought through. I wonder why Grime felt it necessary to give such an extensive CV to the investigation extolling his skills and experience.  Of course the PJ then ran away with the idea that the alerts wrte proof... Fact... Thats another reason why it was necessary for Harrison to bring things back to reality

Your explanation ignored the fact that Harrison contradicted himself only after the dogs alerted to places and items connected with the McCanns.

Your claim that "It was a relatively new idea that Harrison had come up with and had not been properly thought through" is just speculation.

[jassi]

Your explanation ignored the fact that Harrison contradicted himself only after the dogs alerted to places and items connected with the McCanns.

Your claim that "It was a relatively new idea that Harrison had come up with and had not been properly thought through" is just speculation.

Mmm, pure coincidence, I'm sure.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't understand the question. Why would a cadaver dog be used in non homicide cases?

That's what I'm asking you!

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I've already given my explanation and supplied evidence.
It was a relatively new idea that Harrison had come up with and had not been properly thought through. I wonder why Grime felt it necessary to give such an extensive CV to the investigation extolling his skills and experience.  Of course the PJ then ran away with the idea that the alerts wrte proof... Fact... Thats another reason why it was necessary for Harrison to bring things back to reality

That’s a strawman argument. No investigating agencies, not even the PJ, believed the alerts on their own could be “proof”. This is why the FSS analysis became crucial for them.

[Eleanor]

That’s a strawman argument. No investigating agencies, not even the PJ, believed the alerts on their own could be “proof”. This is why the FSS analysis became crucial for them.

Such a pity that The PJ didn't read the report properly.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

The role of the dogs was to find the girls or their remains... The accepted role of cadaver dogs ..no mention of providing intelligence.
As, you are keen on the written word read the reason why Harrison suggested taking the dogs to Luz.
These dogs were known as VRD dogs... That's the clue

There’s no contradiction. If a cadaver has been moved, for example, you can use the dogs together. Firstly to find indicative “intelligence” that a corpse may have been present, and then secondly to identify areas where blood may be found. The alerts on their own do not constitute as “evidence”. What might be collected as a result of the intelligence and indicative alert is evidence…. Even this evidence on its own is not “proof” but it is further intelligence.

[Brietta]

Such a pity that The PJ didn't read the report properly.

Or that in their haste, they misunderstood what they did read entirely.

[Eleanor]

Or that in their haste, they misunderstood what they did read entirely.

Or wanted to misunderstand, peut être.

[jassi]

That’s a strawman argument. No investigating agencies, not even the PJ, believed the alerts on their own could be “proof”. This is why the FSS analysis became crucial for them.

Another area of British expertise where opinion changed.


Edited to add appeared to change between interim and final report.

[Brietta]

Or wanted to misunderstand, peut être.

They certainly read enough into it to use it as an excuse to make the McCanns suspects.  A nonsense then and even more of a nonsense when the FSS results were explained properly and understood.

[Brietta]

Another area of British expertise where opinion changed.

According to Amaral who is a liar.

Now - perhaps you would care to back up your assertion with cites using truthful accounts.

[Mr Gray]

There’s no contradiction. If a cadaver has been moved, for example, you can use the dogs together. Firstly to find indicative “intelligence” that a corpse may have been present, and then secondly to identify areas where blood may be found. The alerts on their own do not constitute as “evidence”. What might be collected as a result of the intelligence and indicative alert is evidence…. Even this evidence on its own is not “proof” but it is further intelligence.

There is s contradiction as gunit has accepted.

Harrison said no inference from an alert without physical evidence... He contradicted himself... Fact