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May 3rd 2007.
« on: July 14, 2019, 11:38:15 AM »
Starting with the morning, I thought it might be useful to review the day up until the timeline produced by the T9.

According to Rachael Oldfield she, her husband and daughter arrived at the Millennium for breakfast at 8:00, followed by the Payne couple with their daughters and Russell O'Brien with his two children. She says Jane Tanner didn't attend because she wasn't feeling well.

After breakfast Matthew went with Russell to drop his daughter at the Mini Club and they went from there to the beach. Rachael took her daughter to the creche then returned to her apartment until 9:45 when she went to the pool area. She read her book and chatted with Kate McCann until 11:10 when she and Matt had a tennis lesson after which they collected their daughter and went to the Payne's for lunch. (10th May statement)
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2019, 01:16:55 PM »
I'm going to find this a difficult thread to follow.  How do you track so many people and so many times?
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2019, 01:20:59 PM »
Starting with the morning, I thought it might be useful to review the day up until the timeline produced by the T9.

According to Rachael Oldfield she, her husband and daughter arrived at the Millennium for breakfast at 8:00, followed by the Payne couple with their daughters and Russell O'Brien with his two children. She says Jane Tanner didn't attend because she wasn't feeling well.

After breakfast Matthew went with Russell to drop his daughter at the Mini Club and they went from there to the beach. Rachael took her daughter to the creche then returned to her apartment until 9:45 when she went to the pool area. She read her book and chatted with Kate McCann until 11:10 when she and Matt had a tennis lesson after which they collected their daughter and went to the Payne's for lunch. (10th May statement)


Probably reading this wrong, but what happened to the other O'Brien girl ?
Russel has 2 children at breakfast.
Matt says he goes with Russel to drop daughter off at kids club.
That must be Russel's daughter as Rachael takes her (their) daughter to creche.
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2019, 03:06:55 PM »

Probably reading this wrong, but what happened to the other O'Brien girl ?
Russel has 2 children at breakfast.
Matt says he goes with Russel to drop daughter off at kids club.
That must be Russel's daughter as Rachael takes her (their) daughter to creche.

Well spotted. Actually Matthew didn't say anything much in his second statement; he couldn't remember who was at breakfast. It was all Rachael's story. He just says he arrived at the beach at 9:30 and sailed until 11:00. He saw the Paynes there.

In his rog interview Matt does confirm he went with Russell to the Mini Club, then he went to the beach but Russell didn't say he still had a child with him. How much credence can be given to this I don't know, because he didn't remember it a year earlier.

As Russell dropped his daughter off at the Mini Club at 9:50 so if Matt was with him he arrived at the beach half an hour after he thought he did. Matthew doesn't comment on the Mini sail either (10:30-11:00).
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2019, 08:25:43 PM »
In her 4th May Statement Jane says she skipped breakfast on 3rd because she was going to the tennis. She played with Kate and Dianne and Russell came to watch with their younger daughter who wasn't well. After the tennis the three of them went to the beach until 12:20, then collected their elder daughter and went to 5D where they had lunch with the Oldfields. 

She says she doesn't know what Kate did after the tennis finished at 10:00.

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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2019, 08:29:37 PM »
Any mention of Gerry during this time ?
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2019, 08:59:37 PM »
Any mention of Gerry during this time ?

According to his 10th May statement he took Madeleine to her club, but I'm not sure it's his signature on the sheet. What do others think?

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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2019, 09:10:01 PM »
Looks like K McCann to me
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2019, 10:24:32 PM »
Looks like K McCann to me
Actually signed as "KM McCann" which is Kate.
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2019, 11:18:17 PM »
Any mention of Gerry during this time ?
Gerry and Kate had breakfast in their apartment so their itinerary was a bit different.
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2019, 11:46:38 PM »
Actually signed as "KM McCann" which is Kate.

There's one M. It's signed KMcCann.

G McCann signature must be the one next to 9:10am
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2019, 01:42:49 AM »
Actually signed as "KM McCann" which is Kate.
Stand corrected but I saw her sign a document like that where she appears to use the M for "Marie" and McCann twice but only write it once.

That signature at 9:10  is different to Kate's style of writing.
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2019, 07:14:10 AM »
Gerry thought he dropped Madeleine off and collected her at lunchtime on 3rd. Understandably as he usually did, but there was a change it seems;

KATE stayed to play tennis he took MADELEINE to her creche, through the short-cut, where they arrived at 09h15, and , since it was obligatory, he signed the child's attendance register.

... Since it was he who went to collect MADELEINE,
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2019, 07:24:48 AM »
What bearing do you think any of this has on Madeleine’s later disappearance, out of interest?
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Re: May 3rd 2007.
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2019, 08:10:41 AM »
Starting with the morning, I thought it might be useful to review the day up until the timeline produced by the T9.

According to Rachael Oldfield she, her husband and daughter arrived at the Millennium for breakfast at 8:00, followed by the Payne couple with their daughters and Russell O'Brien with his two children. She says Jane Tanner didn't attend because she wasn't feeling well.

After breakfast Matthew went with Russell to drop his daughter at the Mini Club and they went from there to the beach. Rachael took her daughter to the creche then returned to her apartment until 9:45 when she went to the pool area. She read her book and chatted with Kate McCann until 11:10 when she and Matt had a tennis lesson after which they collected their daughter and went to the Payne's for lunch. (10th May statement)

Good idea.  To make it an easier task initially would it help to focus on each family and then bring the families together?