May 3rd 2007.

[G-Unit]

That's all that was said in early statements so now I'm moving on to the rogatory statements and Kate's book. They cntain more details, but imo are less reliable due to the passage of time.

Kate's book talks about what she did after her tennis;

After my lesson, I hung around on the grassy play area, watching Gerry on the court and chatting to Russell, who I’d found there [madeleine]

She mentions the man filming his daughter and recounts the conversation the three of them had. Jane told the police the following day that she didn't know what Kate did after the tennis. There she is, Jane, talking to your partner!!!

In her rog interview Jane remembers the conversation with the man filming, but she says it was Wednesday morning and she and Rachael were there as well as Kate and Russell. Wednesday was the rainy day when there was no tennis so Jane has got the day wrong imo.

[G-Unit]

Good idea.  To make it an easier task initially would it help to focus on each family and then bring the families together?

By the time of the rogatory interiews there was confusion over what happened on which day. Jane in particular completely forgot that the tennis was rained off on Wednesday.

[G-Unit]

Russell gets the day correct; He remembers that he was late taking E**a to Minis, it was 9:50 when she was signed in. After that, he says, he went back to his apartment and E**e slept. After she woke he took her to watch Jane play tennis. There wasn't much time for a sleep so that might have been misremembered.

However, Russell has Kate, Jane, himself and Rachael watching the Mini tennis, which began at 10:30 until 11:00. He recalls the father with the video, which, it seems, was analysed by the UK police later.

According to Jane she, Russell and E**e then walked down to the beach, meeting the Paynes who were on their way back up after sailing. They told her they'd seen MM and E**a sailing. Russ took to the water in a kayak and Jane sat on the beach with E**e. She also saw the Minis getting ready to walk back up at 11:00. They returned in time to pick up E**a and had lunch in their apartment with the Oldfields.

[Miss Taken Identity]

This is really interesting G thanks for doing this.

"What bearing do you think any of this has on Madeleine’s later disappearance, out of interest?"

This is a commentary of events as told by the Tapas adults. I don't think  the thread should be disrupted by you and others asking questions... out of interest?

[G-Unit]

This is really interesting G thanks for doing this.

"What bearing do you think any of this has on Madeleine’s later disappearance, out of interest?"

This is a commentary of events as told by the Tapas adults. I don't think  the thread should be disrupted by you and others asking questions... out of interest?

Thanks MTI,  and the others who have shown interest. The group were keen to provide a timeline for the evening of 3rd, but it was an unusual day in that things were different to other days. Most of the information emerged quite a while after the events. The rogatory statements were a year after and Kate's book was even later. How reliable were their memories after these times? How much had their memories been affected by conversations with each other?

It's definitely a shame that statements weren't taken from the other holidaymakers. The video man might have had simething interesting to say, as might others who were around.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Thanks MTI,  and the others who have shown interest. The group were keen to provide a timeline for the evening of 3rd, but it was an unusual day in that things were different to other days. Most of the information emerged quite a while after the events. The rogatory statements were a year after and Kate's book was even later. How reliable were their memories after these times? How much had their memories been affected by conversations with each other?

It's definitely a shame that statements weren't taken from the other holidaymakers. The video man might have had simething interesting to say, as might others who were around.

I just wonder if the video man didn't hand it into the pj or put it on FB or other social media outlet.  I also find it strange that the other people dining didn't publicly discuss what was going on.  Well not in the UK papers anyway that I am aware of.

[Robittybob1]

I just wonder if the video man didn't hand it into the pj or put it on FB or other social media outlet.  I also find it strange that the other people dining didn't publicly discuss what was going on.  Well not in the UK papers anyway that I am aware of.

They [" the other people dining didn't publicly discuss what was going on] are not allowed the case under the Portuguese Judicial Secrecy Laws

[jassi]

They [" the other people dining didn't publicly discuss what was going on] are not allowed the case under the Portuguese Judicial Secrecy Laws

Could that law apply when they were no longer within Portuguese territory?

[G-Unit]

They [" the other people dining didn't publicly discuss what was going on] are not allowed the case under the Portuguese Judicial Secrecy Laws

Portuguese law can only be enforced in Portugal imo. The media were quite happy to print the stories of those who were supportive of the McCanns. Whether any who weren't supportive approached the media isn't known, but Katie Hopkins said she wasn't allowed' to write anything critical of them.

Dianne W's rogatory interview contained an interesting snippet;

4078    “You also, when we spoke earlier, expressed a sense of frustration about the fact that you’d all been banned by the Super (inaudible).”

 Reply    “That’s right, yes.”

[ShiningInLuz]

Thanks MTI,  and the others who have shown interest. The group were keen to provide a timeline for the evening of 3rd, but it was an unusual day in that things were different to other days. Most of the information emerged quite a while after the events. The rogatory statements were a year after and Kate's book was even later. How reliable were their memories after these times? How much had their memories been affected by conversations with each other?

It's definitely a shame that statements weren't taken from the other holidaymakers. The video man might have had simething interesting to say, as might others who were around.

The timeline affect how the drama unfolded.

The disappearance happened, seemingly late on the evening of 3 May.

On 4 May, a priority was to get statements from the T9.

By 5 May, most OC holidaymakers were flying home.

Videoman probably has no reason to think he has anything to add.  I don't know when Videoman became prominent, but I suspect it is down to OG to hunt him down and grill him.

[Mr Gray]

Thanks MTI,  and the others who have shown interest. The group were keen to provide a timeline for the evening of 3rd, but it was an unusual day in that things were different to other days. Most of the information emerged quite a while after the events. The rogatory statements were a year after and Kate's book was even later. How reliable were their memories after these times? How much had their memories been affected by conversations with each other?

It's definitely a shame that statements weren't taken from the other holidaymakers. The video man might have had simething interesting to say, as might others who were around.

It's a shame statements weren't taken in English... That's far more important afaiac

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

According to his 10th May statement he took Madeleine to her club, but I'm not sure it's his signature on the sheet. What do others think?

As I read that - GM takes her in the morning. She’s then collected at lunchtime by KM. KM signs her back in for the afternoon before collecting her later at 17:30. I have read theories that MM wasn’t in the crèche at all that day, but the PJ believed she was and it’s a bit far fetched, IMO, that a substitute child was used and signed in as MM. Whatever happened to MM IMO happened after 17:30 that evening.

[G-Unit]

The timeline affect how the drama unfolded.

The disappearance happened, seemingly late on the evening of 3 May.

On 4 May, a priority was to get statements from the T9.

By 5 May, most OC holidaymakers were flying home.

Videoman probably has no reason to think he has anything to add.  I don't know when Videoman became prominent, but I suspect it is down to OG to hunt him down and grill him.

I read in one of those police manuals that everyone should be interviewed and I agree. Sometimes people have information and they don't realise it. Totman would have been found, we would know if Wilkins had been seen on his wanderings and whether the Sperrey's had dinner in the Tapas on 3rd.

[Vertigo Swirl]

This is really interesting G thanks for doing this.

"What bearing do you think any of this has on Madeleine’s later disappearance, out of interest?"

This is a commentary of events as told by the Tapas adults. I don't think  the thread should be disrupted by you and others asking questions... out of interest?

I don’t care what you think.  I think it’s a perfectly legitimate question and I will ask any question I want, provided it breaks no forum rules. 

[G-Unit]

As I read that - GM takes her in the morning. She’s then collected at lunchtime by KM. KM signs her back in for the afternoon before collecting her later at 17:30. I have read theories that MM wasn’t in the crèche at all that day, but the PJ believed she was and it’s a bit far fetched, IMO, that a substitute child was used and signed in as MM. Whatever happened to MM IMO happened after 17:30 that evening.

So you're reading the 9:10 signature as Gerry's?