Tapas Bar And Restaurant And Other Amenities

[Holly Goodhead]

Probably not worth a thread in and of itself but who knows!?

As I understand it the apartments were owned/rented by various individuals/organisations.  Eg Mrs Fenn owned her apartment on an individual basis and lived there full-time.  MW organisation owned/rented? apartments and let them to holiday makers via a sort of package deal? 

I just wanted to know who is entitled to use the amenities: tapas bar and restaurant, tennis courts, swimming pool, kids club, creche etc.

[Robittybob1]

Probably not worth a thread in and of itself but who knows!?

As I understand it the apartments were owned/rented by various individuals/organisations.  Eg Mrs Fenn owned her apartment on an individual basis and lived there full-time.  MW organisation owned/rented? apartments and let them to holiday makers via a sort of package deal? 

I just wanted to know who is entitled to use the amenities: tapas bar and restaurant, tennis courts, swimming pool, kids club, creche etc.

I think this is a very good question.    You are probably more interested in what was the situation in May 2007, rather that the current situation, am I right?

[Holly Goodhead]

I think this is a very good question.    You are probably more interested in what was the situation in May 2007, rather that the current situation, am I right?

Yes. 

[G-Unit]

Probably not worth a thread in and of itself but who knows!?

As I understand it the apartments were owned/rented by various individuals/organisations.  Eg Mrs Fenn owned her apartment on an individual basis and lived there full-time.  MW organisation owned/rented? apartments and let them to holiday makers via a sort of package deal? 

I just wanted to know who is entitled to use the amenities: tapas bar and restaurant, tennis courts, swimming pool, kids club, creche etc.

I have no cites but I have seen private owners advertising their apartments with access to the OC facilities included. I think that's maybe connected to the access cards. Visitors could perhaps buy them and use the facilities. Only those on the booking sheets could get the free meals though. British holiday parks used to sell day tickets in a similar schene.

[ShiningInLuz]

Probably not worth a thread in and of itself but who knows!?

As I understand it the apartments were owned/rented by various individuals/organisations.  Eg Mrs Fenn owned her apartment on an individual basis and lived there full-time.  MW organisation owned/rented? apartments and let them to holiday makers via a sort of package deal? 

I just wanted to know who is entitled to use the amenities: tapas bar and restaurant, tennis courts, swimming pool, kids club, creche etc.

First, most sources state the T9 dined in the Tapas Bar.  They actually dined in the Tapas Restaurant.  The bar and restaurant are two different buildings separated by a passageway.  This walkway can be seen on Google Earth.

Second, statements show that people could walk in off the street to dine, whether members or not, though no one attests that this had actually happened.  I suspect the OC cards were to make reservations and/or obtain 'free' food and wine on the night.

The reservation and other records suggest that the OC had a contract with many owners to utilise their properties when the owners were not using it themselves.  The OC appears to have owned the common, shared areas, but nothing else.  (I'm counting the kids clubs and creche as shared areas.)

Tennis courts appear to have been used by OC members only  I have no idea whether Mrs Fenn was entitled to use the tennis courts, but I suspect her days of playing tennis were over.

The swimming pools may be different.  We lived in the nearby St James complex for a couple of months.  For residents, there was free use of the large communal pool during the summer, but no entitlement outside.

I doubt very much that non-OC guests were entitled to use the kids club or creche, but I don't know for certain.

[G-Unit]

First, most sources state the T9 dined in the Tapas Bar.  They actually dined in the Tapas Restaurant.  The bar and restaurant are two different buildings separated by a passageway.  This walkway can be seen on Google Earth.

Second, statements show that people could walk in off the street to dine, whether members or not, though no one attests that this had actually happened.  I suspect the OC cards were to make reservations and/or obtain 'free' food and wine on the night.

The reservation and other records suggest that the OC had a contract with many owners to utilise their properties when the owners were not using it themselves.  The OC appears to have owned the common, shared areas, but nothing else.  (I'm counting the kids clubs and creche as shared areas.)

Tennis courts appear to have been used by OC members only  I have no idea whether Mrs Fenn was entitled to use the tennis courts, but I suspect her days of playing tennis were over.

The swimming pools may be different.  We lived in the nearby St James complex for a couple of months.  For residents, there was free use of the large communal pool during the summer, but no entitlement outside.

I doubt very much that non-OC guests were entitled to use the kids club or creche, but I don't know for certain.

The cards gave access to facilities but the person's name had to appear on the booking sheets if they wanted a free meal. Both the Millennium and the Taoas used print-outs of the bookings to check people's status's.

her job is to receive guests at the entrance to the Millenium restaurant and check whether they have to pay for breakfast or whether this is included in their package.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CECILIA-DFC.htm

[Holly Goodhead]

First, most sources state the T9 dined in the Tapas Bar.  They actually dined in the Tapas Restaurant.  The bar and restaurant are two different buildings separated by a passageway.  This walkway can be seen on Google Earth.

Second, statements show that people could walk in off the street to dine, whether members or not, though no one attests that this had actually happened.  I suspect the OC cards were to make reservations and/or obtain 'free' food and wine on the night.

The reservation and other records suggest that the OC had a contract with many owners to utilise their properties when the owners were not using it themselves.  The OC appears to have owned the common, shared areas, but nothing else.  (I'm counting the kids clubs and creche as shared areas.)

Tennis courts appear to have been used by OC members only  I have no idea whether Mrs Fenn was entitled to use the tennis courts, but I suspect her days of playing tennis were over.

The swimming pools may be different.  We lived in the nearby St James complex for a couple of months.  For residents, there was free use of the large communal pool during the summer, but no entitlement outside.

I doubt very much that non-OC guests were entitled to use the kids club or creche, but I don't know for certain.

Thanks.  I'll have a look on Google earth.

So its possible for non OC residents/guests to wine n dine in tapas bar/restaurant.  I read also there's a takeaway option too. 

What about the two unidentified couples dining in tapas restaurant on 1st May?  Are they still unidentified?

[G-Unit]

Thanks.  I'll have a look on Google earth.

So its possible for non OC residents/guests to wine n dine in tapas bar/restaurant.  I read also there's a takeaway option too. 

What about the two unidentified couples dining in tapas restaurant on 1st May?  Are they still unidentified?

That was Jane Tanner who spoke about these two couples wan't it? The staff said no casual customers had been served, and all those booked in that night seemed to be guests.

[Robittybob1]

That was Jane Tanner who spoke about these two couples wan't it? The staff said no casual customers had been served, and all those booked in that night seemed to be guests.

So what are you implying then G-unit, that Jane was wrong once again?

[G-Unit]

So what are you implying then G-unit, that Jane was wrong once again?

I'm saying I recognise the names of the people booked in on Tuesday. They were all MW guests with small children.

[Robittybob1]

I'm saying I recognise the names of the people booked in on Tuesday. They were all MW guests with small children.

OK so are you saying Jane could be right that there were other guests but possibly she didn't realise they were MW guests?

[G-Unit]

First, most sources state the T9 dined in the Tapas Bar.  They actually dined in the Tapas Restaurant.  The bar and restaurant are two different buildings separated by a passageway.  This walkway can be seen on Google Earth.

Second, statements show that people could walk in off the street to dine, whether members or not, though no one attests that this had actually happened.  I suspect the OC cards were to make reservations and/or obtain 'free' food and wine on the night.

The reservation and other records suggest that the OC had a contract with many owners to utilise their properties when the owners were not using it themselves.  The OC appears to have owned the common, shared areas, but nothing else.  (I'm counting the kids clubs and creche as shared areas.)

Tennis courts appear to have been used by OC members only  I have no idea whether Mrs Fenn was entitled to use the tennis courts, but I suspect her days of playing tennis were over.

The swimming pools may be different.  We lived in the nearby St James complex for a couple of months.  For residents, there was free use of the large communal pool during the summer, but no entitlement outside.

I doubt very much that non-OC guests were entitled to use the kids club or creche, but I don't know for certain.

The separation between the bar and the restaurant seems to have escaped Kate's notice. She describes the restaurant as "this restaurant, a canopied outdoor addition to the bar". Their table was mear the bar;

That the table they occupied is next to the Tapas bar since that table was the biggest.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm

Kate also says "We were sitting outside"

[ShiningInLuz]

The separation between the bar and the restaurant seems to have escaped Kate's notice. She describes the restaurant as "this restaurant, a canopied outdoor addition to the bar". Their table was mear the bar;

That the table they occupied is next to the Tapas bar since that table was the biggest.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm

Kate also says "We were sitting outside"

I understand the point you are making.

I have a vague memory that the table itself was moved slightly further away from the windbreak on 3 May.

If that is correct, I am intrigued.  Why would the seating layout be altered on the fateful day?

To head off any requests for a cite, no, I cannot remember where I saw this assertion.

[G-Unit]

I understand the point you are making.

I have a vague memory that the table itself was moved slightly further away from the windbreak on 3 May.

If that is correct, I am intrigued.  Why would the seating layout be altered on the fateful day?

To head off any requests for a cite, no, I cannot remember where I saw this assertion.

I think it was possible to sit in the bar to eat too, unless the waiters took orders from the bar customers just for drinks.

 He also cannot state the length of time Russell was away from the table. The witness states that he had already served all the clients of the bar and for this reason, believes that Russell was away for some time.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

I know Jane said she couldn't put her baby monitor on a wall as usual because the table wasn't near it on 3rd?

[Holly Goodhead]

First, most sources state the T9 dined in the Tapas Bar.  They actually dined in the Tapas Restaurant.  The bar and restaurant are two different buildings separated by a passageway.  This walkway can be seen on Google Earth.

Second, statements show that people could walk in off the street to dine, whether members or not, though no one attests that this had actually happened.  I suspect the OC cards were to make reservations and/or obtain 'free' food and wine on the night.

The reservation and other records suggest that the OC had a contract with many owners to utilise their properties when the owners were not using it themselves.  The OC appears to have owned the common, shared areas, but nothing else.  (I'm counting the kids clubs and creche as shared areas.)

Tennis courts appear to have been used by OC members only  I have no idea whether Mrs Fenn was entitled to use the tennis courts, but I suspect her days of playing tennis were over.

The swimming pools may be different.  We lived in the nearby St James complex for a couple of months.  For residents, there was free use of the large communal pool during the summer, but no entitlement outside.

I doubt very much that non-OC guests were entitled to use the kids club or creche, but I don't know for certain.

I can't see on Google earth the separation you refer to?  Just a sort of T-shaped roof marked up Tapas Bar?