The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[Mrs. B]

Nobody is denying that a phone call was placed to the police at the time the official records show from the OC reception land line. That in itself does not DISPROVE that previous calls had been made from OTHER phones.

[Redblossom]

Nobody is denying that a phone call was placed to the police at the time the official records show from the OC reception land line. That in itself does not DISPROVE that previous calls had been made from OTHER phones.

Yeah but were waiting for the proof lol lol

[Mrs. B]

You have statements, up to YOU to prove them false if you are accusing those people of lying.

[icabodcrane]

You have statements, up to YOU to prove them false if you are accusing those people of lying.

Speaking of taking witness statements at face value,  and getting back on topic at the same time,  what do you make of the two independent witnesses who say a male was away from the tapas group table for a half hour period , only returning just before the alarm was raised by Kate  ?

Neither statement fits  with John's evolving graph, afterall 

[Mrs. B]

Before we get completely off topic here is draft #7

That's very informative, great job. It would be interesting to see it extended, or a similar illustration extended beyond 10 pm & see where all the witness statements fit in.

[Carana]

We have an extremely credible statement by a resident of Praia da Luz called Maria Manuela Martins da Silva who was in the habit of visiting the apartment block adjacent to that occupied by the McCanns.  She was extremely well acquainted with the coming and goings and on the very night of the disappearance she had just left the apartment of her boyfriend with him at it turned 10pm.  She is adamant about this because she asked her friend to check the time which was 9.58.

Maria relates that there was no movement of people  at all at this time.  There was a light on at or near the McCann apartment but she did not pay much notice to it.

I would suggest that this was the very instant when Kate discovered that Madeleine had gone.  A moment in time just before all hell broke loose with people out with torches searching everywhere.

Maria infers that she was totally unaware of any commotion and only found out about it the next day.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm

Who was driving the car that night?

[Mrs. B]

You have statements, up to YOU to prove them false if you are accusing those people of lying.

Speaking of taking witness statements at face value,  and getting back on topic at the same time,  what do you make of the two independent witnesses who say a male was away from the tapas group table for a half hour period , only returning just before the alarm was raised by Kate  ?

Neither statement fits  with John's evolving graph, afterall

If you do me the courtesy of providing extracts with links to the police files showing which statements you are referring to I'd be able to answer you.

[icabodcrane]

You have statements, up to YOU to prove them false if you are accusing those people of lying.

Speaking of taking witness statements at face value,  and getting back on topic at the same time,  what do you make of the two independent witnesses who say a male was away from the tapas group table for a half hour period , only returning just before the alarm was raised by Kate  ?

Neither statement fits  with John's evolving graph, afterall

If you do me the courtesy of providing extracts with links to the police files showing which statements you are referring to I'd be able to answer you.

They are both posted by John on the first page of this thread  (  replies 9 and 10 )

[Admin]

It can only be that kitchen assistant STARIKOVA is mixing up Gerry with Russell.  The latter was the only person who was away from the table for any length of time and this is acknowledged by Ricardo the waiter who attended him.

[Redblossom]

It can only be that kitchen assistant STARIKOVA is mixing up Gerry with Russell.  The latter was the only person who was away from the table for any length of time and this is acknowledged by Ricardo the waiter who attended him.

Of course LOL

[Admin]

Maybe we can start another thread tomorrow to look at the time line relating to the hour from 10pm until the arrival of police at 11pm.  I am sure John will help with the graphics.

[faithlilly]

Maybe we can start another thread tomorrow to look at the time line relating to the hour from 10pm until the arrival of police at 11pm.  I am sure John will help with the graphics.

Ah admin, about those tweets ?

[icabodcrane]

It can only be that kitchen assistant STARIKOVA is mixing up Gerry with Russell.  The latter was the only person who was away from the table for any length of time and this is acknowledged by Ricardo the waiter who attended him.

It most certainly is NOT  'confirmed' by the waiter who served them that night

He states that a man fitting Russell O'Brien's description was away from the table for 15 minutes  ...  and that someone else  was away from the table for half an hour,  returning just before Kate raised the alarm

[Redblossom]

It can only be that kitchen assistant STARIKOVA is mixing up Gerry with Russell.  The latter was the only person who was away from the table for any length of time and this is acknowledged by Ricardo the waiter who attended him.

Not this one


-------  STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:
- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.
- During the time that she was working yesterday (between 14:30 and 23:00) she did not see any individual with blonde "rastas".

[AnneGuedes]

In fact, when ROB came back, there was time to grill another beefsteak for him and time for him to eat half of it before the alarm was launched. At least 12/15 minutes.