The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[icabodcrane]

Did you look up the word interpolation?

And according to Jo the waiter>

On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues Ze and Ricardo who were on break.

I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her, "They've left you alone?"    She responded more of less with these words, "No, they went to see if the little girl was there." I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment.

At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine's father, running to the pool and to the children's play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Millennium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.


So there goes another myth which one of the [ censored word] attempted to propagate earlier that Gerry didn't do any searching....    or does Jeronimo not count too??

I assume you are convinced by this witness statement,  since you have brought it here

You do realise,  that according to this witness  Gerry McCann  was  NOT  at the table  when he approached  Diane Wesbster   before  10pm  ? 

Far from supporting your claim that independent witnesses placed Gerry at the table at 10pm,  this particular  witness positevely suggests he was not   

[Angelo222]

Waiter Ricardo gave several statements the gist of which is as follows >

8.45pm - States that on the day in question that all tapas-9 were seated at the table between 20H35 and 20H45. He remembered them arriving as usual, had they arrived late, this would have been noted by the staff.  When they were all together, the group sat at the table, he took their orders, including the starters.  States that after having received the orders, he went into the bar and came back with the wine. The starters were served by one of his colleagues. 

9.25pm - After 25 to 30 minutes he served the main dishes. He remembers that at this moment, the taller male, whom he identified as Russell had left the table. He did not know where he had gone but he was asked to keep Russell's meal warm.  Notice only Russell was absent at this point.   States that the group would normally spend about 15 minutes finishing the main course. 

9.55pm - After a certain amount of time (he is not able to be exact), he was asked to serve Russell, who had returned to the table. He remembers that the rest of the group had practically finished their main courses.  Note that this includes everyone ie Gerry McCann.   He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group? David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar.

The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell's food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner.


Point of this Ica...places Gerry at the table at 10pm by default whether he said it in words or not.  Cheers!

[icabodcrane]

Waiter Ricardo gave several statements the gist of which is as follows >

8.45pm - States that on the day in question that all tapas-9 were seated at the table between 20H35 and 20H45. He remembered them arriving as usual, had they arrived late, this would have been noted by the staff.  When they were all together, the group sat at the table, he took their orders, including the starters.  States that after having received the orders, he went into the bar and came back with the wine. The starters were served by one of his colleagues. 

9.25pm - After 25 to 30 minutes he served the main dishes. He remembers that at this moment, the taller male, whom he identified as Russell had left the table. He did not know where he had gone but he was asked to keep Russell's meal warm.  Notice only Russell was absent at this point.   States that the group would normally spend about 15 minutes finishing the main course. 

9.55pm - After a certain amount of time (he is not able to be exact), he was asked to serve Russell, who had returned to the table. He remembers that the rest of the group had practically finished their main courses.  Note that this includes everyone ie Gerry McCann.   He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group? David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar.

The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell's food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner.


Point of this Ica...places Gerry at the table at 10pm by default whether he said it in words or not.  Cheers!

I really don't know why you are producing ing a witness who says Gerry  (  and everyone else except Webster )  left the table at 9.45pm  as  evidence that Gerry was  AT  the table at 10pm

I don't care what he said had transpired up until that point because it is not relevent to the question we are addressing  ....  this witness says Gerry McCann  was  NOT  at the table at 10pm


No default about it
 

[Angelo222]

I don't recall Ricardo saying that the table had been vacated at 9.45pm?    He did say that dinner would end at 9.45pm though but I have yet to see a group of diners on holiday disappear immediately after eating especially when the norm was for this particular group to have drinks until the bar closed at midnight.

Maybe you want to rethink your last response Ica?   

As for him saying Gerry wasn't at the table at 10pm...a load of bollocks!

[AnneGuedes]

Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry.
Vol. II, pp. 266-68 --  06.05.2007

[Angelo222]

Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry.
Vol. II, pp. 266-68 --  06.05.2007

Yes, considering Russell only arrived back at 9.55pm, those few minutes were actually 15 minutes.  You see it matters little how you attempt to construe the facts because they always come right in the end.  Only one member of the tapas 9 failed to finish his meal and that was Russell...waiters notice these things.   

[Angelo222]

Keep your hair on, did I say I expected anyone to believe it? No I didnt. Did I say I believed it? No I didnt. It is not though  anymore without the realms of possibility than some other really dubious theories on here.

As for the alert there IS no DEFINITIVE time  for the alert. 10pm is far too early for it. Even Gerry himself says Kate did not return to the table until 10.13-10.15 pm! And he had his little watch on which he checked times with such precision.
 

Well considering Gerry and the others were the first to be alerted maybe you can explain how childcare worker Jacqueline Williams together with colleagues Amy and Emma knew by 10.05pm as did waitress Maria Fernandes, bar chef Maria Jose and chef Miguel Coelho while maintenance technician Nuno Filipe Guerreiro da Conceicao recalls being telephoned at home by OC staff at 10.15pm asking for torches.   Seems they can't all be wrong eh??   

Appears Gerry was mistaken or his watch was wrong, the alert was shortly after 10pm.

[sadie]

Walter Ricardo statement

9.55pm - After a certain amount of time (he is not able to be exact), he was asked to serve Russell, who had returned to the table. He remembers that the rest of the group had practically finished their main courses.  Note that this includes everyone ie Gerry McCann.   He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group? David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar.

Why are Icabod, Anne and Red  and all saying that dinner finished at 9.45pm?
 
No mention of that time shows in Ricardos statement.  It clearly says 9.55pm

Why all these inaccuracies?

Are they deliberate or accidental?

[John]

Walter Ricardo statement
Why are Icabod, Anne and Red  and all saying that dinner finished at 9.45pm?
 
No mention of that time shows in Ricardos statement.  It clearly says 9.55pm

Why all these inaccuracies?

Are they deliberate or accidental?

They are misinterpreting the statements.   The dinner finished at 9.45pm certainly (except for Russell of course) but nobody left the table until after the alert...simple.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this revisit of the facts.  It is very clear that the weight of evidence sits firmly with Gerry being in the tapas bar when Kate alerted to the abduction shortly after 10pm.   Not a scintilla of evidence of any sort has been produced to the contrary.

It is very obvious therefore that the man the Smiths saw down the town at 10pm was not Mr Gerald McCann.

[ferryman]

There are three telling points, here.

First is that if, for any reason, Gerry had been absent from the table at the point of Kate's alert, it is surely unthinkable that his absence, as the father of the missing child, would have gone unremarked.

Second, (assuming, as I do not, that the Smiths saw Gerry), if (as Amaral suggests) Kate and Gerry were in cahoots to cover something nefarious, Gerry must have kicked Kate hard for raising the alarm before Gerry had even got down to the beach

And third, there is not one single hint of a suggestion that Kate and Gerry were simultaneously absent from the table at any point between their joint arrival and Kate's alert.

Oh, and a fourth; where is the commentary in the files about efforts to find Gerry and tell him what had happened, including where he was when found and who found him?

Erm, non-existent ...

I'm sure there's an excellent reason for that ...

[John]

I think we tend to be far too forgiving of the sceptics.  The evidence of the tapas 7 would be more than enough in any court proceedings to establish Kate and Gerry's whereabouts let alone the need for further corroboration by independent witnesses.

The claim that these professional people were involved in some sort of conspiracy is simply too crazy for words.

[sadie]

They are misinterpreting the statements.   The dinner finished at 9.45pm certainly (except for Russell of course) but nobody left the table until after the alert...simple.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this revisit of the facts.  It is very clear that the weight of evidence sits firmly with Gerry being in the tapas bar when Kate alerted to the abduction shortly after 10pm.   Not a scintilla of evidence of any sort has been produced to the contrary.

It is very obvious therefore that the man the Smiths saw down the town at 10pm was not Mr Gerald McCann.

I think you have a typo there John, unless there is some other evidence.   
Seems they had practically finished their main courses at about 9.55pm, rather than about 9.45pm. 


Walter Ricardo statement

9.55pm  - After a certain amount of time (he is not able to be exact), he was asked to serve Russell, who had returned to the table. He remembers that [the rest of the group had practically finished their main courses.   Note that this includes everyone ie Gerry McCann.   He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group? David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar.

Sorry, but I am a stickler for the detail being correct, where ever possible.  And this is a rather important detail in the circumstancees, do you agree?

[Carana]

Why are you asking Angelo? Did HE post any SNIPPET? No, I did. Your answer is DUNNO. Why do YOU think? That informal statements must be wrong? OR DELIBERATELY excluded? Why dont you just spit it out what you mean for a change.

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Summary of informal interview:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm

Formal interview:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM-J-M-BAPTISTA.htm


Why didn't the officer conducting the formal interview pick up on the initial informal notes to check with the witness?

[DCI]

Summary of informal interview:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm

Formal interview:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM-J-M-BAPTISTA.htm


Why didn't the officer conducting the formal interview pick up on the initial informal notes to check with the witness?

IMO, Carana, those "snippets" would have been the statements, if this had gone quiet.
All of them are contradicted in the statements, and why wait 2 more days before taking the fuller statements. Hope none of them were "got at" .

I also see that JOAQUIM JOSE MOREIRA BATISTA, knew the children were sleeping in the apartment.  >@@(*&)

"the times in which this group had dined in that bar it is [was] often [for] someone from the group to go to check at the apartments the state of the children (their offspring) who were sleeping there".

[Carana]

IMO, Carana, those "snippets" would have been the statements, if this had gone quiet.
All of them are contradicted in the statements, and why wait 2 more days before taking the fuller statements. Hope none of them were "got at" .

I also see that JOAQUIM JOSE MOREIRA BATISTA, knew the children were sleeping in the apartment.  >@@(*&)

"the times in which this group had dined in that bar it is [was] often [for] someone from the group to go to check at the apartments the state of the children (their offspring) who were sleeping there".

To me, several of the initial statements come across as if the PJ officers were taking notes about burglaries.


I do sympathise with the fact that they were faced with an unusual situation and that they had a huge quantity of people to interview within a very short space of time - particularly for tourists likely to return home on the Saturday.

What I understand less is why more in-depth interviews were not conducted as soon as possible

Nor do I understand why a reconstruction - if it was considered to be important - wasn't organised when the majority of people around that evening were still there and when their minds would have been fresh.