The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[Albertini]

Well in my opinion (and i'm no Gok Wan) they are an unusal style of trouser with buttons down the side.

What is important is that we have Martin Smith identifying Gerry McCann and Aoife Smith highlighting the person's trousers that we have photographic evidence match a pair Gerry owns.

The point is what are the chances that the abductor would be 60-80% Gerry and own the same trousers Gerry owns and be carrying a child at that time?

[Carana]

Well in my opinion (and i'm no Gok Wan) they are an unusal style of trouser with buttons down the side.

What is important is that we have Martin Smith identifying Gerry McCann and Aoife Smith highlighting the person's trousers that we have photographic evidence match a pair Gerry owns.

The point is what are the chances that the abductor would be 60-80% Gerry and own the same trousers Gerry owns and be carrying a child at that time?

Aoife's statement:
— His trousers were smooth "rights" along the legs, beige in colour, cotton fabric, thicker than linen, possibly with buttons, and without any other decoration.

Where do you read "buttons down the side"?

[Carana]

Heard that old potato before.

So what makes Mr. Smith wrong and his daughter right ?

NONE of the others agreed with him - aside from his wife and there is no way of knowing to what extent she agreed with him, or simply supported him in conveying his doubt.

[Albertini]

Aoife's statement:
— His trousers were smooth "rights" along the legs, beige in colour, cotton fabric, thicker than linen, possibly with buttons, and without any other decoration.

Where do you read "buttons down the side"?

Oh come off it! Are you being deliberately pedantic?

Look at the picture of Gerry's trousers.

Beige in colour - Yes
Cotton fabric - Yes
Thicker than line - Yes
Possibly with buttons - Yes
Without any other decoration - Yes

Do you expect Aofie to give the make and size as well?

Do you not agree it is significant that Martin & Aofie Smith identify Gerry (to 60-80%) and describe  trousers that we have a picture of him wearing?

[Carana]

Oh come off it! Are you being deliberately pedantic?

Look at the picture of Gerry's trousers.

Beige in colour - Yes
Cotton fabric - Yes
Thicker tahn line - Yes
Possibly with buttons - Yes
Without any other decoration - Yes

Do you expect Aofie to give the make and size as well?

Do you not agree it is significant that Martin & Aofie Smith identify Gerry (to 60-80%) and describe  trousers that we have a picture of him wearing?

Where does Aofie identify Gerry? She is one of the ones who didn't agree with her dad.

She only said possibly with buttons. Buttons... where? Wouldn't buttons down the side count as "decoration"?

[Albertini]

Where does Aofie identify Gerry? She is one of the ones who didn't agree with her dad.

She only said possibly with buttons. Buttons... where? Wouldn't buttons down the side count as "decoration"?

I meant Martin identified Gerry and Aofie identifed trousers with buttons.

Buttons, I would suspect, counts as "buttons".

Decoration i would presume would mean things like prints or designs.

The point is of course that this is certainly worth further investigation irrespective of the pedantry you try to apply in order to extricate any link to Gerry from this family's sightings.

[AnneGuedes]

During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife.
The witness doesn't say they felt another way, just that they didn't feel the same way, i.e they had no opinion.

[sadie]

Stephen.  No need for abuse.  the quote did not copy correctly. 

Am having another attempt but have an extremely weak broad band strength here and the preview will not work.  Difficulty posting too.

No connection sign keeps coming up and no emails in or out.

Jeez!  Will have to try again later.

[John]

As an aside, the photo depicted of Gerry in the beige trousers was taken some time after the abduction of Madeleine.

It matters little though in the final analysis as the person the Smith family saw could not have been Gerry McCann for all the reasons previously stated.

[Albertini]

As an aside, the photo depicted of Gerry in the beige trousers was taken some time after the abduction of Madeleine.

It matters little though in the final analysis as the person the Smith family saw could not have been Gerry McCann for all the reasons previously stated.

Hi John.

I accept that the photo may have been taken after the abduction but the fact remains that Gerry owned a pair of trousers that matched the description provided by Aoife Smith.

I have read the thread regarding the timelines at the Tapas and also the statements given by the Smiths regarding timings (anything from 9:50 onwards) and what i can see is no definitive alibi for Gerry, and a lot of confusion in the statements regarding the timings given by witnesses, as others in that thread have pointed out. 

It certainly warrants further investigation in my opinion when the trousers are taken in conjunction with Martin Smith's ID.

[Benice]

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything Benice,  I am merely stating the facts

The only independent witnesses who recall seeing Gerry McCann before Madeleine was reported missing are Jeremy Wilkins,  who saw him at about 9.15pm outside the McCann apartment ...  and Mr and Mrs Smith who saw him making his  way in the direction of the beach at about 10pm

Those are the facts

Actually they are not the facts as no member of the Smith family have said it was definitely Gerry - only a 60/80 percent  chance that it might have been - by one of them,  (maybe two) .     The rest of the family who were also there were 100 percent sure it wasn't Gerry.  Why do you keep ignoring that part?

So tell us what you think Gerry did between 9.15 and just after the alarm was raised when he was seen searching by staff. 

And in your opionion when did he break the news of Madeleine's death to the Tapas 7.

[icabodcrane]

Actually they are not the facts as no member of the Smith family have said it was definitely Gerry - only a 60/80 percent  chance that it might have been - by one of them,  (maybe two) .     The rest of the family who were also there were 100 percent sure it wasn't Gerry.  Why do you keep ignoring that part?

So tell us what you think Gerry did between 9.15 and just after the alarm was raised when he was seen searching by staff. 

And in your opionion when did he break the news of Madeleine's death to the Tapas 7.

Is that true  ?  ...  that the Smith children said they were  100%  sure  it wasn't  Gerry McCann that they saw  ?

I thought  that they were simply unable to say that it WAS  him  ...  which a very different thing

[Benice]

Is that true  ?  ...  that the Smith children said they were  100%  sure  it wasn't  Gerry McCann that they saw  ?

I thought  that they were simply unable to say that it WAS  him  ...  which a very different thing

The rest of the Smith family - unlike Mr Smith -  did not offer any percentage likelihoods -  they said that in their opinion the man they saw was not Gerry.    They did not say they were 99.9% sure it was not Gerry.   So if that's not 100% then what is?

[icabodcrane]

The rest of the Smith family - unlike Mr Smith -  did not offer any percentage likelihoods -  they said that in their opinion the man they saw was not Gerry.    They did not say they were 99.9% sure it was not Gerry.   So if that's not 100% then what is?

I didn't know that they said the man they saw  'was not'   Gerry McCann,   I thought they were just unable to say whether it was him or not

Is this in the police files Benice ? 

[sadie]

Well in my opinion (and i'm no Gok Wan) they are an unusal style of trouser with buttons down the side.

What is important is that we have Martin Smith identifying Gerry McCann and Aoife Smith highlighting the person's trousers that we have photographic evidence match a pair Gerry owns.

The point is what are the chances that the abductor would be 60-80% Gerry and own the same trousers Gerry owns and be carrying a child at that time?

Do you have a definite photo of Gerrys trousers that have the buttons down

They dont sound like Gerrys plain style, but maybe I am wrong?