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Offline Holly Goodhead

The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« on: September 24, 2019, 08:55:37 AM »
The first officers to respond to MM's disappearance were two GNR officers who arrived at OC main reception:

- Jose Maria Batisa Roque (JR)
- Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa (NC)

They were told by GM, via an interpreter, that MM had been abducted.  They all then went to 5A. 

The officers made clear they entered 5A through the front (wood) door.  Thereafter the statements become contradictory. 

JR claims he searched the entire apartment including the washing machine but notes he did not see the fridge.  He claims whilst he did this NC waited in the hall.  He then claims he searched the area around the apartments and tapas restaurant and told NC to wait by the door.

NC contradicts the above in that he claims he also searched the apartment but unlike JR he claims he searched the fridge but did not see the washing machine.

Neither make reference to the patio doors

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2019, 09:09:37 AM »
Contradictory statements will have an innocent explanation unless it’s the McCanns and their friends in which case it’s obviously proof of lies and deception.  Hope that’s cleared that one up for you.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2019, 09:17:52 AM »
Contradictory statements will have an innocent explanation unless it’s the McCanns and their friends in which case it’s obviously proof of lies and deception.  Hope that’s cleared that one up for you.
You're right; it's a two way street that one.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2019, 09:26:44 AM »
Contradictory statements will have an innocent explanation unless it’s the McCanns and their friends in which case it’s obviously proof of lies and deception.  Hope that’s cleared that one up for you.

No it hasn't cleared anything up for me so maybe you could offer something more constructive.

Whatever anyone thinks of *T8, on paper they're well educated and intelligent: 6/8 medi doctors; 1 trained lawyer; 1 marketeer.  If they were involved in MM's disappearance they were more than capable of concocting a compelling narrative which they all stuck to.  If they weren't involved then there's no reason for them to recall the minutiae over mundane events.  The only exception to this being they probably all came to realise leaving the children was madness especially if the apartments were unsecured.  Therefore its possible they may have tried to limit the damage in this regard by over playing the checks carried out and down playing any lax security of apartments. 

The same cannot be said for the two GNR officers.  These people are trained for all eventualities and not to take anything or anyone for granted.  They know they might well be expected to recall events if cases go in certain directions.  Why then do we have two highly contradictory wit stats and how can it be that the unidentified fingerprint originated from NC if he did not have contact with the patio door?

* No idea about DW's background.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2019, 09:29:08 AM »
No it hasn't cleared anything up for me so maybe you could offer something more constructive.

Whatever anyone thinks of *T8, on paper they're well educated and intelligent: 6/8 medi doctors; 1 trained lawyer; 1 marketeer.  If they were involved in MM's disappearance they were more than capable of concocting a compelling narrative which they all stuck to.  If they weren't involved then there's no reason for them to recall the minutiae over mundane events.  The only exception to this being they probably all came to realise leaving the children was madness especially if the apartments were unsecured.  Therefore its possible they may have tried to limit the damage in this regard by over playing the checks carried out and down playing any lax security of apartments. 

The same cannot be said for the two GNR officers.  These people are trained for all eventualities and not to take anything or anyone for granted.  They know they might well be expected to recall events if cases go in certain directions.  Why then do we have two highly contradictory wit stats and how can it be that the unidentified fingerprint originated from NC if he did not have contact with the patio door?

* No idea about DW's background.
You’re referring to Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee here, not a crack team of SAS operatives. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2019, 10:10:28 AM »
You’re referring to Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee here, not a crack team of SAS operatives.

What evidence do you have that they were a couple of incompetent fools akin to members of Dad's Army?

What sort of training did they receive and what do their personnel records, or similar, indicate?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568477/Portuguese-police-admit-Madeleine-circus.html

Two police officers involved in the initial hunt for Madeleine McCann have admitted that a "circus" of people trampled through her bedroom on the night she went missing, contaminating evidence that could have solved the case.

The pair - both uniformed officers from Portugal's Guarda Nacional Republicana - criticised senior colleagues for failing to secure the scene, saying: "They regret it because now the whole world's laughing and pointing fingers in disgust, saying how incompetent the Portuguese police are."


The above suggest the two GNR officers were at least mindful of contamination.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline The General

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2019, 10:16:30 AM »
What evidence do you have that they were a couple of incompetent fools akin to members of Dad's Army?

What sort of training did they receive and what do their personnel records, or similar, indicate?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568477/Portuguese-police-admit-Madeleine-circus.html

Two police officers involved in the initial hunt for Madeleine McCann have admitted that a "circus" of people trampled through her bedroom on the night she went missing, contaminating evidence that could have solved the case.

The pair - both uniformed officers from Portugal's Guarda Nacional Republicana - criticised senior colleagues for failing to secure the scene, saying: "They regret it because now the whole world's laughing and pointing fingers in disgust, saying how incompetent the Portuguese police are."


The above suggest the two GNR officers were at least mindful of contamination.
Did they receive fingerprints from the T9 for elimination purposes?
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2019, 10:27:24 AM »
What evidence do you have that they were a couple of incompetent fools akin to members of Dad's Army?

What sort of training did they receive and what do their personnel records, or similar, indicate?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568477/Portuguese-police-admit-Madeleine-circus.html

Two police officers involved in the initial hunt for Madeleine McCann have admitted that a "circus" of people trampled through her bedroom on the night she went missing, contaminating evidence that could have solved the case.

The pair - both uniformed officers from Portugal's Guarda Nacional Republicana - criticised senior colleagues for failing to secure the scene, saying: "They regret it because now the whole world's laughing and pointing fingers in disgust, saying how incompetent the Portuguese police are."


The above suggest the two GNR officers were at least mindful of contamination.
Thanks for providing the cite so I don’t have to!
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline jassi

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2019, 10:30:37 AM »
Did they receive fingerprints from the T9 for elimination purposes?

No memtion of it in their witness statements. Perhaps it never happened.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2019, 10:53:47 AM »
Did they receive fingerprints from the T9 for elimination purposes?

Certainly GM and KM provided fingerprints.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2019, 10:55:05 AM »
Thanks for providing the cite so I don’t have to!

What in your opinion does the cite support?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2019, 10:56:37 AM »
What in your opinion does the cite support?

Incompetence.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2019, 11:00:25 AM »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2019, 11:03:46 AM »
Incompetence by whom?

The Portuguese Police in general.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2019, 11:19:03 AM »
The Portuguese Police in general.

Well that maybe so but in this instance I was referring to the two GNR officers.  Is there any evidence they were incompetent?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?