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Offline barrier

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Offline barrier

Discussed previously way back in 2013 as I thought.Went no where fast,what with the events in 2014.



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Offline Brietta

Hi Brietta and Sadie,

Could this be the couple Kate referred to in her publication?

“ POLICE are investigating a childless couple who they suspect could have abducted missing Madeleine McCann.
The pair, who had told friends they would kidnap a child after becoming frustrated with adoption red tape, are among the list of 38 new suspects drawn up by British cops.

A review by London’s Metropolitan police led them to the couple and detectives are now investigating the theory that they smuggled the missing toddler out of Portugal aboard a boat.

The man had inherited a large amount of money around the time Maddie disappeared on May 3, 2007, from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, and it’s believed he could have used the money to set up a new life.

And it’s the childless couple theory that is fuelling the last remaining hope that Maddie could still be alive.

This week cops said there is still no proof she is dead.

Other theories centered around paedophile gangs and lone sex offenders, but the investigation is now focusing on one individual who, having struggled with adoption procedures in Portugal, threatened to kidnap a child.

The individual is believed to have told friends that he was so frustrated with adoption procedures in a number of countries that “he would take his own child” if necessary.

The Metropolitan Police have been aware of this line of inquiry for the past two years, but it’s only since British PM David Cameron ordered a fresh review that they had the resources to follow it up independently of the Portuguese authorities.

Sources close to the new investigation have told the Sunday World that they believe Madeleine was stalked and targeted for abduction in the days before she disappeared.

The English suspect, who has never been interviewed by UK or Portuguese Police officers, is understood to have been driving a four-wheel drive car at the time of the kidnapping.

The theory suggests that the planned abduction of Maddie involved at least two people and it is claimed that the suspect used a newly-purchased yacht, which was moored about an hour away from Praia da Luz, to leave the country.

Scotland Yard officers involved in the new probe also believe that it is likely the suspect had somehow accessed a key to apartment 5A, where the McCanns stayed with their three children.”
Found this one too, Anthro ...
Processos Volume IV

Pages 854-855


External Inquiry Report

Date: 2007/05/09
Place: Praia da Luz - Lagos
Responsible Officers: Raquel Neves and Tony Almeida, Inspectors
Description and result of the inquiry:

In the sequence of information received by this Policia Judiciaria on this date, at around 11H40, we went to the Video Club “Eureka Services", located in Praia da Luz - Lagos, in order to contact Mr. S**** R******, the owner of the establishment.

Following an informal conversation, we were informed by that individual that he had remembered that on the previous Thursday, 3rd May, 2007, at the time he was closing up his shop, around 22h45, a small vehicle, whose make, model and number plate he does not remember, the only identifying element he captured was the colour of the vehicle—a dull red, almost as if the colour has been burnt off, sic, due to prolonged exposure to sunlight. Inside the vehicle, he could only make out the presence of one person, as well as a dog in the front passenger's seat.

At the moment that said vehicle passed him, he observed that the driver was looking towards the back seat . Mr R***** affirms that he did not have, at that time, the opportunity to determine what was in the back of the car.

When questioned, he further noted that he recognised the identity of the driver, indicating that it was a female, of Brazilian nationality, 1,70 cm in height, 25/26 years of age, slim with lightly coloured skin. He even added her name, S*** S***** because she and her partner had previously worked at his parents’ farm. …
Due to minor arguments caused by the misuse of tools, involving mainly the woman’s companion identified as E***** S*****, the latter, also of Brazilian nationality, and Mr. R*****, effectively came to blows, and the services of the couple were concluded.

He adds that some of the physical aggressions he suffered in Marina de Lagos, had required help from the local police;

After the couple were fired, he found out that they went to work in the Marina de Lagos, in the area of repairs/maintenance of boats, and more concretely, for a boat which was moored there and that they it as their residence. He furthers that it was a catamaran of high dimensions with the name "TROPICS";

Another individual called R***** also worked in that place with the couple. R*****’s telephone number is xxxxxxxxx, and he may help in determining other elements;

He only remembered the episode at this point, because in making some associations, given the disappearance of the child, it reminded of him of this couple who mentioned that they had an exceptional desire to have a child of their own;

After the facts occurred, he also stated that they had left Marina de Lagos, as the vessel was no longer found in that place.


When questioned about the physical characteristics of E**** S*****, he identified him as being bald, with a strong build, around 1,70 m in height, dark skin tone and around 42 years of age.

Signed.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic116-10.html

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Anna also supplied the following link ...
EXCLUSIVE: Brazilians in the frame in Madeleine hunt
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/546818/Brazilian-couple-who-wanted-a-child-re-examined-in-Madeleine-hunt
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Kate didn't say who they were, Sadie.  So I've no idea but obviously Kate and Gerry knew who they were. Kate writes ...
"What was forthcoming, particularly in terms of the quality and depth of the investigation, would become
increasingly concerning to us.
Grounds for elimination, for instance, often seemed very flimsy. 
I remember Gerry and me exchanging quizzical looks after the FLOs tried to explain how one couple had been ruled out of the inquiry."

A bit ironic considering the lengths the original investigators went to as far as Kate and Gerry were concerned.

Kate may have been referring to the couple + child seen by Geroge Brooks at 6am on 4/5/07 near Lagos Marina. Kate & Gerry were aware of this sighting through Michael Wright & this happened during the time LP FLO's were in Luz.
See various media reports here.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id399.htm

However, PJ were reportedly not interested in the sighting for reasons unspecified & didn't interview the witness in early May 2007. There is no evidence the couple carrying the child were ever traced or investigated before being eliminated as per this service document:-

16-Processos Volume 16 Pages 4201 to 4202

SERVICE INFORMATION

To: Paulo Rebelo

From: Ricardo Paiva, Inspector

Date: 2008/04/24 (diligences at Pizza Real, Luz & telephone discussion with George Brooks)

*snipped*
 Regarding the facts in question, he states that he had already contacted the OH in May of 2007 and at this time relayed to the police that at around 06H00 in the morning on the 4th May, 2007, he saw a couple passing the Marina de Lagos. The man was carrying the child. It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation.
Signed,
Ricardo Paiva

Offline Brietta

This is a very good comment.  It covers most of how I feel about this case.  I believe that Madeleine was taken off by boat, probably to some other part of the World.

I believe that Madeleine is still alive and unaware of who she is.

Interesting posts from Pegasus ...

The "Tropics" cat was being repaired.
The place where boats are repaired is the outer harbour.
https://goo.gl/maps/qDkH2

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg256408#msg256408



@pathfinder Your post is interesting, and contains two different things, unconnected with each other.

1. A report in May 2007 of a video shop owner's account about a Brazilian couple who lived on a boat at Lagos.

2. A report in May 2012 in the Evening Standard and This Is London newspapers about a British man who owned a boat at Lagos but didn't live on it. BTW if this report is true I think maybe an original completely non-suspicious word "adopt" got morphed (or "mitched") into "abduct" into "kidnap" if you see what I mean?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg256383#msg256383
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Found this one too, Anthro ...
Processos Volume IV

Pages 854-855


External Inquiry Report

Date: 2007/05/09
Place: Praia da Luz - Lagos
Responsible Officers: Raquel Neves and Tony Almeida, Inspectors
Description and result of the inquiry:

In the sequence of information received by this Policia Judiciaria on this date, at around 11H40, we went to the Video Club “Eureka Services", located in Praia da Luz - Lagos, in order to contact Mr. S**** R******, the owner of the establishment.

Following an informal conversation, we were informed by that individual that he had remembered that on the previous Thursday, 3rd May, 2007, at the time he was closing up his shop, around 22h45, a small vehicle, whose make, model and number plate he does not remember, the only identifying element he captured was the colour of the vehicle—a dull red, almost as if the colour has been burnt off, sic, due to prolonged exposure to sunlight. Inside the vehicle, he could only make out the presence of one person, as well as a dog in the front passenger's seat.

At the moment that said vehicle passed him, he observed that the driver was looking towards the back seat . Mr R***** affirms that he did not have, at that time, the opportunity to determine what was in the back of the car.

When questioned, he further noted that he recognised the identity of the driver, indicating that it was a female, of Brazilian nationality, 1,70 cm in height, 25/26 years of age, slim with lightly coloured skin. He even added her name, S*** S***** because she and her partner had previously worked at his parents’ farm. …
Due to minor arguments caused by the misuse of tools, involving mainly the woman’s companion identified as E***** S*****, the latter, also of Brazilian nationality, and Mr. R*****, effectively came to blows, and the services of the couple were concluded.

He adds that some of the physical aggressions he suffered in Marina de Lagos, had required help from the local police;

After the couple were fired, he found out that they went to work in the Marina de Lagos, in the area of repairs/maintenance of boats, and more concretely, for a boat which was moored there and that they it as their residence. He furthers that it was a catamaran of high dimensions with the name "TROPICS";

Another individual called R***** also worked in that place with the couple. R*****’s telephone number is xxxxxxxxx, and he may help in determining other elements;

He only remembered the episode at this point, because in making some associations, given the disappearance of the child, it reminded of him of this couple who mentioned that they had an exceptional desire to have a child of their own;

After the facts occurred, he also stated that they had left Marina de Lagos, as the vessel was no longer found in that place.


When questioned about the physical characteristics of E**** S*****, he identified him as being bald, with a strong build, around 1,70 m in height, dark skin tone and around 42 years of age.

Signed.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic116-10.html

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6532.msg268102#msg268102


Anna also supplied the following link ...
EXCLUSIVE: Brazilians in the frame in Madeleine hunt
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/546818/Brazilian-couple-who-wanted-a-child-re-examined-in-Madeleine-hunt

This is where my interests lie.

Offline Brietta

This is where my interests lie.

It seems they did exist and weren't a figment of someone's imagination.

They were in Luz at the appropriate time and if their catamaran was in the outer harbour as Pegasus says they had the means and the opportunity to make an unnoticed and clean getaway.
They had been working on the boat so it was most likely sea worthy and ready to go.

They didn't even have to box themselves in by heading into the Mediterranean they were in a location that could have seen them heading down the sea lanes towards the horn and thereafter the world was their oyster and for a long, long time the official investigators didn't look outside the box occupied by Kate and Gerry so no-one was looking for them.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

It seems they did exist and weren't a figment of someone's imagination.

They were in Luz at the appropriate time and if their catamaran was in the outer harbour as Pegasus says they had the means and the opportunity to make an unnoticed and clean getaway.
They had been working on the boat so it was most likely sea worthy and ready to go.

They didn't even have to box themselves in by heading into the Mediterranean they were in a location that could have seen them heading down the sea lanes towards the horn and thereafter the world was their oyster and for a long, long time the official investigators didn't look outside the box occupied by Kate and Gerry so no-one was looking for them.

I was aware of them  long time ago.  And Yep, they could have sailed around for all of that Summer and then gone anywhere.

There could have been a need for Madeleine to learn a new language.

Personally I don't think that they abducted Madeleine themselves and might not even have known who she was.

Offline Myster

I was aware of them  long time ago.  And Yep, they could have sailed around for all of that Summer and then gone anywhere.

There could have been a need for Madeleine to learn a new language.

Personally I don't think that they abducted Madeleine themselves and might not even have known who she was.
Sounds far more plausible than someone on nodding acquaintance with dear old Liz.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Eleanor

Sounds far more plausible than someone on nodding acquaintance with dear old Liz.

Thank you.

There is more to my Theory, of course.  Who was Smithman, seen heading in the direction of the beach?

Who organised the phone call to The GNR at Portimao reporting a non existent burglary?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Thank you.

There is more to my Theory, of course.  Who was Smithman, seen heading in the direction of the beach?

Who organised the phone call to The GNR at Portimao reporting a non existent burglary?

Securitas (alarms) in Lisbon telephoned the GNR in Lagos 4 times re an incident in Odiaxere.  Those calls are in the GNR Lagos phone log.  I have never yet seen any proof it was a phoney incident.
What's up, old man?

Offline Eleanor

Securitas (alarms) in Lisbon telephoned the GNR in Lagos 4 times re an incident in Odiaxere.  Those calls are in the GNR Lagos phone log.  I have never yet seen any proof it was a phoney incident.

I said, "Organized".  I have never seen any proof that there was a burglary.

Offline Mr Gray

Securitas (alarms) in Lisbon telephoned the GNR in Lagos 4 times re an incident in Odiaxere.  Those calls are in the GNR Lagos phone log.  I have never yet seen any proof it was a phoney incident.

Does anyone know if they were genuine

Offline Eleanor

Does anyone know if they were genuine

I think Misty might know.  From what I can remember it was all very dubious.