Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?

[G-Unit]

I think...based on the evidence...its quite reasonble to think there were errors due to transaltions in the statements. You disagree. Because of the way the staements were taken there is no way we can check. Thats it...Its down to opinion...but the evidence supports mistakes

Your evidence being Kate McCann's claims? Can you explain how the McCann's statements contradicted each other so clearly then? Both McCanns were quite clear about which door they used on 3rd May, so how could that be the result of error?

[sadie]

You seem to be assuming that the interpreters spoke broken English. Do you have evidence of that?

Doubly translated and taken at 11.30am the following morning after Matt had been up a great deal of the night.


I dont know what others think, but I am inclined to doubt that the PJ could have mustered up Portuguese volunteers to take statements whose translation skills were up to muster for legal documents.   Can you prove that the translater was up to translating for legal documents?   


Maybe a certain lack of translation skills caused the document to be non verbatim, rather than straight from Matts mouth?   Difficulty in finding the right word etc.   Dunno.  Do you ?


So you are happy that it is Justice that such potentially bodged documents have been produced, are you ?


That's your idea of Justice ?

[sadie]

What a load of rubbish.

Suggest that you re-asess the points Davel has made and put your thinking cap firmly on your head, please SIL

[Mr Gray]

Your evidence being Kate McCann's claims? Can you explain how the McCann's statements contradicted each other so clearly then? Both McCanns were quite clear about which door they used on 3rd May, so how could that be the result of error?

you are mking yet another assumption...my evidence,,,,anything that supports an assertion


translation is not an exact science...mistakes are o be expected

telegraph article from PJ source saying that they were looking at statements again due to the way they were taken

Articel by colin sutton saying there were bound to be mistakes

[Mr Gray]

Your evidence being Kate McCann's claims? Can you explain how the McCann's statements contradicted each other so clearly then? Both McCanns were quite clear about which door they used on 3rd May, so how could that be the result of error?

without the original english statements we just dont know...It certainly could be the result of poor translation

[ShiningInLuz]

Suggest that you re-asess the points Davel has made and put your thinking cap firmly on your head, please SIL

I've had 5 years of this propaganda, so plenty of time to think and assess.

I don't need a thinking cap.

My brain works perfectly well without artificial aids.

What colour is your thinking cap, Sadie?

[sadie]

I've had 5 years of this propaganda, so plenty of time to think and assess.

I don't need a thinking cap.

My brain works perfectly well without artificial aids.

What colour is your thinking cap, Sadie?

Why dont you read back and re-assess Davels post.  No propanganda there; just facts.



BTW, I dont wear hats, except very occasionally a tin one, when the viscious lying propaganda starts flying


Anyway, what's colour got to do with anything ?    I am non racist

[G-Unit]

you are mking yet another assumption...my evidence,,,,anything that supports an assertion


translation is not an exact science...mistakes are o be expected

telegraph article from PJ source saying that they were looking at statements again due to the way they were taken

Articel by colin sutton saying there were bound to be mistakes

I thought you knew the difference between evidence and opinions.

[G-Unit]

Doubly translated and taken at 11.30am the following morning after Matt had been up a great deal of the night.


I dont know what others think, but I am inclined to doubt that the PJ could have mustered up Portuguese volunteers to take statements whose translation skills were up to muster for legal documents.   Can you prove that the translater was up to translating for legal documents?   


Maybe a certain lack of translation skills caused the document to be non verbatim, rather than straight from Matts mouth?   Difficulty in finding the right word etc.   Dunno.  Do you ?


So you are happy that it is Justice that such potentially bodged documents have been produced, are you ?


That's your idea of Justice ?

Matt's 4th May statement appears to have been translated by Angela Morado from the British Consulate.

[Mr Gray]

I thought you knew the difference between evidence and opinions.

I do.. It appears you dont

Evidence... Anything which supports an assertion

An opinion from someone well informed can be regarded as evidence

[sadie]

Matt's 4th May statement appears to have been translated by Angela Morado from the British Consulate.

Good try.

Well "Angela" begins with "A" , same as "Anna" and "Albym"



Taken from the actual file


https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD.htm

52 to 57 Witness statement of Matthew David Oldfield 2007.05.04

TRANSLATION BY ANNA/ALBYM
01-Processo 01 Pages 52 to 57
01_VOLUMEIa_Page_52

If you read it carefully, I think that you will find that Angela was the INTERPRETER [/b]



For the differences between Translating and and Interpreting skills, I suggest the following explains it quite well and we all might benefit by reading it


http://www.languagescientific.com/the-difference-between-translation-and-interpreting/


So you were wrong about Angela being the translator, she was the interpreter, but it was a good try.



As I said before, Anna and/or Albym were the translators

[sadie]

Deleted, double posted

[Holly Goodhead]

Misunderstandings in communication are inevitable regardless of the language issues in this case.  Remember the two ronnies: four candles and fork handles!   

[Mr Gray]

Misunderstandings in communication are inevitable regardless of the language issues in this case.  Remember the two ronnies: four candles and fork handles!   

And of course the portuguese translator would have written down fork handles in portuguese but repeated back ....what sounded like four candles in english....and fork handles would be confirmed by the english speaker  with  a signature...if anyone follows that

[G-Unit]

Good try.

Well "Angela" begins with "A" , same as "Anna" and "Albym"



Taken from the actual file


https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD.htm


If you read it carefully, I think that you will find that Angela was the INTERPRETER [/b]



For the differences between Translating and and Interpreting skills, I suggest the following explains it quite well and we all might benefit by reading it


http://www.languagescientific.com/the-difference-between-translation-and-interpreting/


So you were wrong about Angela being the translator, she was the interpreter, but it was a good try.



As I said before, Anna and/or Albym were the translators

OK, Angela Morado was the interpreter for Matthew Oldfield and David Payne on 4th May.