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Offline G-Unit

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1110 on: June 29, 2020, 09:36:44 PM »

What, seven highly intelligent professionals, with integrity, plus all the other customers, waiters, bar staff and manager all THOUGHT Gerry was sat there, they served him his food, gave him wine...and each and everyone f of them hallucinated????

You seem to have an unlimited ability to pour out your inaccurate opinions on any subject. There were six people at the Tapas at 10pm, plus Gerry McCann. There were no other customers there and no manager. The staff that were there didn't know who was who; if asked which one was Gerry McCann they couldn't have told you. The group were served their meals at 9:30pm, apart from Russell so no-one interacted with the group after that. One employee was sure what he saw;

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

There are more;

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

When questioned about the disappearance, she says she heard about it on that night at about 22.00 when an English tourist arrived at the Millenium restaurant to ask whether anyone had seen a lost little girl.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_ROSA.htm

He heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P**** B******, a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1111 on: June 29, 2020, 09:40:53 PM »
That one waiter was wrong in that case.

Everyone else said they were ALL there when Kate left at 10pm

When she rushed back screaming they all jumped up and dashed out leaving one of the groupís morgen sat there. The staff all witnessed it too.

That waiter is royally wrong.

 @)(++(* The waiter who served them was wrong. Matt Oldfield said Kate left at 9:50 NOT 10pm and had a watch. Was he wrong too?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1112 on: June 29, 2020, 11:03:07 PM »
Sigh ... incredibly on a dog thread the forum has veered to having yet another discriminatory binge with Madeleine's parents at the centre of it.

At least the change of tack appears to suggest the recognition that the dogs are a busted flush. 

No it means that if you accept the dog alerts are significant then you have to attempt to explain where a body is... and that takes you back to the timeline.... and Smithman, of course. These tenets of evidence are intrinsically linked.

Online Eleanor

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1113 on: June 29, 2020, 11:13:15 PM »
No it means that if you accept the dog alerts are significant then you have to attempt to explain where a body is... and that takes you back to the timeline.... and Smithman, of course. These tenets of evidence are intrinsically linked.

What do you suggest?  One long and rambling thread about absolutely everything.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1114 on: June 29, 2020, 11:16:36 PM »
What do you suggest?  One long and rambling thread about absolutely everything.

Hahahaha - sorry!! But yes it's hard to avoid the crossover... I hold my hand up as a bad offender.... I did try though and resurrected a timeline thread!!!  8(>((

Online Eleanor

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1115 on: June 29, 2020, 11:28:22 PM »
Hahahaha - sorry!! But yes it's hard to avoid the crossover... I hold my hand up as a bad offender.... I did try though and resurrected a timeline thread!!!  8(>((

You did indeed, and thank you again for that.

And I have been known to offend myself you know.

Offline Brietta

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1116 on: June 30, 2020, 02:00:46 AM »
You seem to have an unlimited ability to pour out your inaccurate opinions on any subject. There were six people at the Tapas at 10pm, plus Gerry McCann. There were no other customers there and no manager. The staff that were there didn't know who was who; if asked which one was Gerry McCann they couldn't have told you. The group were served their meals at 9:30pm, apart from Russell so no-one interacted with the group after that. One employee was sure what he saw;

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

There are more;

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

When questioned about the disappearance, she says she heard about it on that night at about 22.00 when an English tourist arrived at the Millenium restaurant to ask whether anyone had seen a lost little girl.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_ROSA.htm

He heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P**** B******, a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm

The following are all workers in the Millennium Restaurant whose statements can be read in the files; their statements recall the McCann family breakfasting there; their statements are wrong; the McCann family ate only one meal there on the Saturday of their arrival; they ate all their breakfasts at home.



When asked, she says she remembers the McCann family as they often used the restaurant where she worked although she adds that she never had a conversation with them.
Alice Maria Velhuco Ciriaco Guerreiro Silvestre

She says that the child and her parents frequented the restaurant where they would have breakfast.
When asked, she says that she can not remember the date when they first began to frequent the restaurant.
However she is certain that they frequented the restaurant from the beginning of the week.
Ana Marilia do Carmo Silva

When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.

She says that breakfast was served between 08.00 and 10.00 and that the McCanns would arrive between 08.00 and 09.00.

She says that the McCanns appeared to be a normal family and that the relation between the members of the family was very good. Madeleine appeared to be very attached to her father and was always clinging on to him. Given her public relations function she was always very nice to the guests and would get involved with the children, saying that Madeleine was very shy and did not respond to her. She says that the only contact she had with guests was at the entrance to the Millenium restaurant, she did not have a view of the tables or the Buffet area.
Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo

When questioned she says that she does not remember the family of Madeleine McCann although they were regular users of the restaurant where she worked, because her functions did not imply direct contact with the guests.
Ecaterina Dobrioglo

With regard to the McCann family he has nothing to add as he did not have close contact with them.

He say that without being absolutely sure he thinks he saw the couple with their three children inside the restaurant on Monday or Tuesday night, he supposes they were there to eat.

When questioned he says that he is not sure whether they were accompanied by other individuals.

He says that as was the case on other nights, that night was calm and he did not notice anything strange or anyone approaching the couple or their children or taking photographs.
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Gustavo Cesar Cabral Campos

After seeing their [the McCann's] picture, he immediately remembered that he had seen them having breakfast in the restaurant where he works, but that he does not remember any situation in particular involving this family, nor does he remember hearing or noticing any strange situation involving their presence.
John Sholto Young

When questioned she says that she does not have a clear image of the girl's parents, only having briefly caught sight of them inside the restaurant.

She did not see any suspicious behaviour on the part of anyone that would indicate that a criminal act was being prepared.

She heard about the events on the night in question, when her husband - who works in the same restaurant as the witness ‚Äď told her that he had heard that a small girl had disappeared from the resort. On the following day in the restaurant, she was informed by colleagues about the events as well as from television news, which confirmed that it was the girl whom she had seen in the restaurant.
Luisa Maria Camara Todorov

With regard to the McCann family, he has nothing to say as he had no close contact with them.

He says that they would have breakfast in the morning at the restaurant. He cannot guarantee it, but he thinks they were regular guests at the time in the morning. He cannot say anything about the time after 15.00 when he was off duty.
Pedro Alexandre Gonzaga Ribeiro

The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1117 on: June 30, 2020, 02:09:12 AM »
Surely with such obvious inconsistencies in witness statements it's time to re-test the DNA data from samples that were taken following the dog alerts. The science has moved on in the last decade.

https://omny.fm/shows/maddie/the-dna?in_playlist=maddie!podcast

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1118 on: June 30, 2020, 06:32:11 AM »
You seem to have an unlimited ability to pour out your inaccurate opinions on any subject. There were six people at the Tapas at 10pm, plus Gerry McCann. There were no other customers there and no manager. The staff that were there didn't know who was who; if asked which one was Gerry McCann they couldn't have told you. The group were served their meals at 9:30pm, apart from Russell so no-one interacted with the group after that. One employee was sure what he saw;

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

There are more;

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

When questioned about the disappearance, she says she heard about it on that night at about 22.00 when an English tourist arrived at the Millenium restaurant to ask whether anyone had seen a lost little girl.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_ROSA.htm

He heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P**** B******, a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm


And you seem to have the ability to believe anything you read ó providing it suits your agenda.

That statement is the ONLY one that is totally inaccurate. Itís at complete odds with all the other statements made by every other witness. Itís also terribly VAGUE. Itís all ďbetween about...Ē. Thatís either been wrongly translated, or the employee wasnít sure what time it was.

Not only are his timings incorrect, so is his version of how many people were there.

For your information, because itís evident you donít know, that Portuguese statement has obviously been lost in translation. Iíve been to Portugal, and Iíve lived abroad too. I also have a close friend whoís an interpreter who translates official government documents, and despite having worked for the government for over 25 years, and speaking fluent English, even she sometimes has difficulty translating documents if what sheís translating from isnít written concisely or the grammar is poor ó and often has to double check on what she suspects must be errors.

As an aside, the Portuguese rarely speak any English, and even the interpreters seem to have difficulty translating into English. Thatís a well-known fact. Of course, youíll find some who speak good English, but itís rare.

That statement made by that employee totally contradicts every other statement made by EVERYONE else.

Therefore, his recount can be dismissed. Heís got the timings completely wrong, and heís also forgotten that one of the Tapas9 motherís who went with them on the holiday, remained sat at the table when Kate rushed in at approximately 10:10pm screaming that Maddie had been taken.

Itís been worldwide news for 13 years of what happened that night.

The group block booked that table for 8:30pm nightly, yet youíre saying this employee ó who didnít even work in the Tapas Bar ó claimed their meals were served at 9:30pm. I donít believe that. If the restaurant was almost empty why would they be waiting one hour for their food? Also, if they had Tapas, which I suspect they did considering it was the Taoas Bar, small various dishes are served throughout, and they start coming out within minutes...

That statement is wrong.

It simply highlights how terribly sloppy the Portuguese police are.

As it happens, one of the Tapas9, Martin, did the 9:30 check on the McCannsí children as his apartment was next to his and his wifeís ó and as he was checking on HIS children he offered to do Kateís check for her. Which friends do, you know?

He got back at around 9:40PM ó and youíre saying this employee said it was THEN everyone ran out saying a child had vanished.

This is complete BS.

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Offline barrier

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1119 on: June 30, 2020, 08:30:14 AM »
What do you suggest?  One long and rambling thread about absolutely everything.

Isn't that how it works .
 Person/s unknown removed Madeleine from 5a without leaving a trace to her whereabouts.

Online Eleanor

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1120 on: June 30, 2020, 08:36:57 AM »
Isn't that how it works .

Not on this Forum it doesn't.  Although we are all guilty of wandering.

Offline Brietta

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1121 on: June 30, 2020, 08:38:53 AM »
Isn't that how it works .

We already have a wandering off topic thread where that is acceptable.  The other threads all have specific topics where a little discipline can be exercised to remain on topic although it appears that is not the name of the game.
This one is about dogs ... might be an idea to work that into posts.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Brietta

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1122 on: June 30, 2020, 08:46:05 AM »
Not on this Forum it doesn't.  Although we are all guilty of wandering.

Sometimes an aside can be informative and we all wander ... and no wonder ~ go out for a couple of hours and return to find the thread is entirely off track.  In most instances the ensuing wandering is in a specific direction and I think that is no accident.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline barrier

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1123 on: June 30, 2020, 08:47:31 AM »
We already have a wandering off topic thread where that is acceptable.  The other threads all have specific topics where a little discipline can be exercised to remain on topic although it appears that is not the name of the game.
This one is about dogs ... might be an idea to work that into posts.

Yeah they go wandering and have to called back by its handler.
 Person/s unknown removed Madeleine from 5a without leaving a trace to her whereabouts.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1124 on: June 30, 2020, 08:51:25 AM »

And you seem to have the ability to believe anything you read ó providing it suits your agenda.

That statement is the ONLY one that is totally inaccurate. Itís at complete odds with all the other statements made by every other witness. Itís also terribly VAGUE. Itís all ďbetween about...Ē. Thatís either been wrongly translated, or the employee wasnít sure what time it was.

Not only are his timings incorrect, so is his version of how many people were there.

For your information, because itís evident you donít know, that Portuguese statement has obviously been lost in translation. Iíve been to Portugal, and Iíve lived abroad too. I also have a close friend whoís an interpreter who translates official government documents, and despite having worked for the government for over 25 years, and speaking fluent English, even she sometimes has difficulty translating documents if what sheís translating from isnít written concisely or the grammar is poor ó and often has to double check on what she suspects must be errors.

As an aside, the Portuguese rarely speak any English, and even the interpreters seem to have difficulty translating into English. Thatís a well-known fact. Of course, youíll find some who speak good English, but itís rare.

That statement made by that employee totally contradicts every other statement made by EVERYONE else.

Therefore, his recount can be dismissed. Heís got the timings completely wrong, and heís also forgotten that one of the Tapas9 motherís who went with them on the holiday, remained sat at the table when Kate rushed in at approximately 10:10pm screaming that Maddie had been taken.

Itís been worldwide news for 13 years of what happened that night.

The group block booked that table for 8:30pm nightly, yet youíre saying this employee ó who didnít even work in the Tapas Bar ó claimed their meals were served at 9:30pm. I donít believe that. If the restaurant was almost empty why would they be waiting one hour for their food? Also, if they had Tapas, which I suspect they did considering it was the Taoas Bar, small various dishes are served throughout, and they start coming out within minutes...

That statement is wrong.

It simply highlights how terribly sloppy the Portuguese police are.

As it happens, one of the Tapas9, Martin, did the 9:30 check on the McCannsí children as his apartment was next to his and his wifeís ó and as he was checking on HIS children he offered to do Kateís check for her. Which friends do, you know?

He got back at around 9:40PM ó and youíre saying this employee said it was THEN everyone ran out saying a child had vanished.

This is complete BS.

The Tapas 9 statements aren't confirmed by anyone outside their group. In fact the statements of uninvolved people disagree with the group's story. You have chosen to believe the group's story as factual. That doesn't mean it is.

PS Who's Martin oh knowledgeable one?
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