Author Topic: The Telecinco Affair  (Read 34387 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #165 on: February 03, 2020, 08:29:11 PM »
They sued for compensation for damages, not defamation, because they knew they weren't defamed.
Can we have the cite now please.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #166 on: February 03, 2020, 08:34:57 PM »
Can we have the cite now please.

When I get a cite saying that the book contained 'lies and defamation'. That is opinion, not fact.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #167 on: February 03, 2020, 08:50:14 PM »
When I get a cite saying that the book contained 'lies and defamation'. That is opinion, not fact.
No, that’s not how this works. You claimed the court explicitly stated the book contained no lies or defamation, now you prove it.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #168 on: February 03, 2020, 10:46:26 PM »
No, that’s not how this works. You claimed the court explicitly stated the book contained no lies or defamation, now you prove it.

You seem to think you're in charge of something. You're not.
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Offline Erngath

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #169 on: February 04, 2020, 12:11:01 AM »
You seem to think you're in charge of something. You're not.

That's  your task.
Is it not?
IMO of course.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline G-Unit

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #170 on: February 04, 2020, 12:17:47 AM »
That's  your task.
Is it not?
IMO of course.

You think?  @)(++(*
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Offline Erngath

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #171 on: February 04, 2020, 12:32:19 AM »
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline misty

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #172 on: February 04, 2020, 12:53:48 AM »
From page 44 of the original judgement in 2015....http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

The book conveys the idea that the truth of the investigation is merely formal, while the truth of the author (that would have been met at the end of the line of inquiry that had been followed up to his removal from the case) is the material truth - This book still has a purpose greater. The contribute to the discovery of material truth and the realisation of justice ( ... ) (No. 23) .

There is no doubt that is the proper defendant who calls his condition of former coordinator of the criminal investigation and that through this statute the book, the interview and the documentary distinguish themselves - by qualifying – from the opinion of television commentators, writers or other who gloss about the subject.

But, at least in our view, that same status cannot but mark the limits of the defendant's freedom of expression when compared to the one detained by others. Having been in charge of that investigation as a member of the Judicial Police, the defendant Goncalo Amaral, although retired on 1st July 2008, did not enjoy, on the following July 24, in respect of the results of the criminal investigation released on the 21st of the same month and year, a large and full freedom of expression. This freedom was conditioned by the functions he had, functions that imposed him special duties that traverse the status of retirement, including the duty of reserve.

In this concrete situation, despite the personal reasons that the defendant invokes in the introductory note of the book, the freedom of expression should cede through the imperative of that reserve. It was not what happened and the truth is that on 24 July 2008, barely three days after the release of the the dispatch shelving the investigation for lack of proof, the book was launched, sold with the newspaper's edition and the interview was published.

The time-line displays well the intention to call for the contradictory, in the public domain, the shelving of the investigation, comparing it with the thesis of the previous line of investigation, told as the true one by a person who had been responsible for the same investigation.


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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #173 on: February 04, 2020, 06:43:38 AM »
You seem to think you're in charge of something. You're not.
I was simply reminding you of the rules of the forum, it’s not as if you have never done the same, being such a stickler for forum protocol.
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Offline The General

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #174 on: February 04, 2020, 07:23:04 AM »
Laughable... Prove they knocked on 1000s of doors... Who cares... The mccanns are no longer suspects... They are not being investigated by either investigation... It's just a few armchair detectives on the net who don't understand the evidence who think they're still on the radar... Last bit opinion... Rest is fact
You didn't prove your assertion that the PJ neglected to knock on dear old Pam's (RIP) door.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2020, 02:30:03 PM by Brietta »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #175 on: February 04, 2020, 07:31:27 AM »
You didn't prove your assertion that the PJ neglected to knock on dear old Pam's (RIP) door.
Read the post, again.... I didn't state a, fact.. I asked a question
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Offline The General

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #176 on: February 04, 2020, 07:36:35 AM »
Read the post, again.... I didn't state a, fact.. I asked a question
So you admit then that it's just as likely that they did? Why mention it then?
Just show the proof to back your assertion and we'll move on. I can help if you're struggling......waving or drowning?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #177 on: February 04, 2020, 07:45:04 AM »
So you admit then that it's just as likely that they did? Why mention it then?
Just show the proof to back your assertion and we'll move on. I can help if you're struggling......waving or drowning?

What we know as a fact is that she did not give her statement till some months later which suggests to me  they didnt
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #178 on: February 04, 2020, 07:55:54 AM »
The Truth of the Lie went to the highest court in Portugal and wasn't found to contain lies or defamation. Anyone thinking it's going to be retried is deluding themselves.

you have stated a fact and not provided a cite....thats because you claim is total rubbish. Nowhere in the judgement does it say the book contained no lies or defamation. Please dont claim your posts are accurate and  based on evidence...they are not

Offline The General

Re: The Telecinco Affair
« Reply #179 on: February 04, 2020, 08:32:31 AM »
What we know as a fact is that she did not give her statement till some months later which suggests to me  they didnt
Anyway, moving on........
The Sardine Munching imbeciles conducted 1000's of diligences right down to speaking to the rat catcher, but neglected to talk to Pam upstairs.
However, Leicestershire Police spoke to C A Tramner Fenn on May 8th. Verified fact. Did they talk about the football, or the fact that SHE WAS SAT UPSTAIRS WITH AUNTIE PAM?
The only mystery here is that LP didn't bother to tell the PJ that they'd interviewed Carole.
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