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Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #135 on: February 15, 2020, 11:11:54 PM »
As you don’t seem able to supply the link I asked for I went and had a look myself.  These are the criminal acts pertaining to the 17 deportees

A government breakdown of the 17 people on the Jamaica deportation flight today: Rape 1 convicted for rape and given an 11 year sentence 1 convicted of rape and given a sentence of 4 years and 6 months   Violent crime 1 convicted for a violent assault and given a sentence of 1 year and 3 months 1 convicted of wounding with intend to cause GBH, possession of a weapon in public place Violent offences against a person (Wounding) 7 years 1 convicted of a violent crime against a person and given a 8 year sentence Drugs 1 convicted for intent to supply class A drugs – 7 year sentence 1 persistent offender, whose most recent conviction was for drugs offences and intimidating a witness and given a total sentence of 11 months 1 convicted for importing controlled drugs and given a sentence of four years 1 convicted to supplying class  A drugs and given a sentence of four years and six months 1 convicted to supplying class A drugs and given a sentence of three years 1 convicted of importing controlled class B drugs and given a three year sentence 1 convicted of supplying class A drugs (crack cocaine) and given a sentence of 3 years and 2 months 1 convicted of supplying class A drugs and given a sentence of 3 years and 4 months Robbery and firearm offences: 1 convicted of robbery and give a life sentence 1 convicted of robbery, firearms offence, theft of a vehicle and possessing class A drugs, given a five year sentence 1 convicted for conspiracy to rob and possession of a firearm and given a sentence of 9 years Burglary 1 convicted of burglary and given a prison sentence of 2 years and 6 months

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/11/dad-moved-uk-child-served-two-years-burglary-deported-jamaica-12222159/?ito=cbshare
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As I thought - no one deported simply for snorting coke.

Okay...what about  possession of a class A drug, destruction of private property ( Johnson spent a night in the cells ) and conspiracy to commit ABH ( 5 years in prison).
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 11:15:06 PM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #136 on: February 15, 2020, 11:16:54 PM »
Okay...what about  possession of a class A drug, destruction of private property ( Johnson spent a night in the cells ) and conspiracy to commit ABH ( 5 years in prison).
What about them?  This is a ludicrous argument.  Boris is not Jamaican in case you hadn’t noticed.  Which of these offences has he been found guilty of, or served time for?  Why do you think he should be deported?  Do you think any foreign national who commits a crime involving a prison sentence should automatically be given leave to remain in this country when their sentence is spent?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #138 on: February 15, 2020, 11:37:29 PM »
What about them?  This is a ludicrous argument.  Boris is not Jamaican in case you hadn’t noticed.  Which of these offences has he been found guilty of, or served time for?  Why do you think he should be deported?  Do you think any foreign national who commits a crime involving a prison sentence should automatically be given leave to remain in this country when their sentence is spent?

No Johnson isn’t a Jamaican and the deportees weren’t rich....and that is the difference. By his own admission he conspired to commit ABH, destroyed private property and possessed a class A drug...two of which are imprisonable offences...that he wasn’t convicted of those crimes is down more to his family’s standing than lack of guilt.

Johnson was born in America and was involved in a conspiracy to commit a violent crime. The deportees where born in Jamaica and had conspired or actually committed violent crimes...the only difference I see is thatJohnson is white and wealthy.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #139 on: February 15, 2020, 11:41:16 PM »
If Boris is against Blacks full stop why is his government opening its arms out to Africa?

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/uk/boris-johnson-immigration-south-africans-easier-uk-why/

https://www.monitor.co.ug/News/World/Britain-will-be-more-open-to-migrants-from-Africa/688340-5425566-a8af0vz/index.html

Oh I’m sure he doesn't mind black people wiping the backsides of our old people.....what with all the Eastern European’s now heading home.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #140 on: February 15, 2020, 11:41:48 PM »
No Johnson isn’t a Jamaican and the deportees weren’t rich....and that is the difference. By his own admission he conspired to commit ABH, destroyed private property and possessed a class A drug...two of which are imprisonable offences...that he wasn’t convicted of those crimes is down more to his family’s standing than lack of guilt.

Johnson was born in America and was involved in a conspiracy to commit a violent crime. The deportees where born in Jamaica and had conspired or actually committed violent crimes...the only difference I see is thatJohnson is white and wealthy.
Oh right, so Johnson (never convicted of any crime and a British citizen) is just the same as foreign nationals with a criminal record.  Rightyho then.  So tell me, is it just cos they is black that you’re kicking off about this, or would you be equally upset if it was middle class white American criminals being deported?   And you didn’t answer my question - should all foreign national criminals who have served 12 months or more in British jails be given leave to remain in this country, or only the Jamaican ones?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #141 on: February 15, 2020, 11:43:16 PM »
Oh I’m sure he doesn't mind black people wiping the backsides of our old people.....what with all the Eastern European’s now heading home.
Is that all you think African migrants are good for then?  How frightfully racist of you! 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #142 on: February 15, 2020, 11:54:39 PM »
Oh right, so Johnson (never convicted of any crime and a British citizen) is just the same as foreign nationals with a criminal record.  Rightyho then.  So tell me, is it just cos they is black that you’re kicking off about this, or would you be equally upset if it was middle class white American criminals being deported?   And you didn’t answer my question - should all foreign national criminals who have served 12 months or more in British jails be given leave to remain in this country, or only the Jamaican ones?

Rupert Smith, one of those deported to Jamaica was protecting his daughter from unwanted advances and was convicted of ABH. Conspiracy to commit ABH...where’s the difference?

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #143 on: February 15, 2020, 11:56:13 PM »
Is that all you think African migrants are good for then?  How frightfully racist of you!

No that’s what Johnson thinks....those pycanninies with their watermelon smiles.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2020, 12:31:09 AM »
No that’s what Johnson thinks....those pycanninies with their watermelon smiles.
So you know for a fact Boris doesn’t want skilled immigration from Africa on a points based system, just bum-wiping skivvies?  Gosh, did he tell you this himself?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2020, 12:32:25 AM »
Rupert Smith, one of those deported to Jamaica was protecting his daughter from unwanted advances and was convicted of ABH. Conspiracy to commit ABH...where’s the difference?
You have completely avoided addressing my post and the question therein.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2020, 10:55:08 AM »
I wonder how many laws were broken with the current deportations.

Deportation after a criminal sentence

If a deportation order has been made against you, you will be issued with notice of deportation arrangements, and this should be in keeping with the removal notice periods above.

To prevent your deportation, you need to prove that it would breach your rights under the Refugee Convention or the Human Rights Convention.
The immigration rules are now weighted very much in favour of deporting a person after a criminal sentence.

The rules state that if you were sentenced for more than 12 months, your deportation is “conducive to the public good and in the public interest”. The rules also say that your deportation is “conducive to the public good and in the public interest” if your offending “caused serious harm” as determined by the Home Office, or you are a “persistent offender who shows a particular disregard for the law”, irrespective of how long you were sentenced for.

If you are liable to deportation, your spouse or civil partner and/or your child  are also liable to be deported unless they have Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK in their own right, or are British, or have been living apart from you.

If you were sentenced to more than four years, the Home Office guidance says you will need to have “very compelling circumstances” in order for a deportation order not to be made or to be revoked. Remember, however, that a court may have a different interpretation of what counts as those circumstances than the Home Office.

If you have been sentenced for less than four years but more than 12 months, or your offending is deemed to fall into the “causing serious harm” category described above, the immigration rules say that deportation would be proportionate except if deportation would be in breach of your Article 8 rights to family and private life, AND:

(1) you have a child under the age of 18 in the UK,

you have a “genuine and subsisting parental relationship” with your child
your child is a British citizen or has lived in the UK for at least seven years immediately prior to the decision to deport you
it would be “unduly harsh” for your child to live in the country to which you will be deported, and
it would be “unduly harsh” for your child to remain in the UK without you.
OR

(2) you have a “genuine and subsisting relationship” with a partner who is in the UK and has British citizen or Indefinite Leave to Remain, and

the relationship was formed at a time when you were in the UK lawfully and your immigration status was “not precarious”; and
it would be unduly harsh for your partner to live in the country to which you are being deported, because of compelling circumstances over and above very significant difficulties which would be faced by you and your partner in continuing your family life together outside the UK and which could not be overcome or would entail very serious hardship for you and your partner; and
it would be unduly harsh for your partner to remain in the UK without you.
You also need to show that you have been lawfully resident in the UK for most of your life; and you are “socially and culturally integrated in the UK”; and there would be “very significant obstacles” to integration into the country to which you are being deported.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #147 on: February 16, 2020, 11:19:50 AM »
Do Guardian readers believe there is ever a good reason for deporting black and Asian foreign nationals back to the country of their birth?  If so what would those reasons be I wonder?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #148 on: February 16, 2020, 12:20:42 PM »
Do Guardian readers believe there is ever a good reason for deporting black and Asian foreign nationals back to the country of their birth?  If so what would those reasons be I wonder?

No matter what paper you read I would hope that you’d be prepared to hold your government to account if they don’t follow the law.

Do you know if our government followed the law in all the cases of the men deported ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is The Tory Party Institutionally Racist....
« Reply #149 on: February 16, 2020, 12:50:54 PM »
No matter what paper you read I would hope that you’d be prepared to hold your government to account if they don’t follow the law.

Do you know if our government followed the law in all the cases of the men deported ?
You’d have to ask someone well versed in the law on these matters.  Copying and pasting bits from the Citizen’s Advice website isn’t good enough to make a decision one way or the other.   Presumably some law was broken to allow 25 drug pushers, murderers and rapists not to be deported, so maybe these poor violent criminals will get a reprieve and be allowed to reoffend here at a later date.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".