Order of killings

[ISpyWithMyEye]

A GP confirms death just by looking at someone?  I very much doubt it-----although I agree, he or she would have a good idea.

All the family had rigor mortis at differing stages, including livor mortis which can be seen. You can even see it in the pictures of the family. Sheila’s left arm was BLUE. Her eyes were partially open as were June’s. You don’t even NEED to be a doctor to see that they’ve been dead for HOURS.

So if you think a doctor needs to check for a pulse when someone has rigor mortis, I’d hate to have the doctors you see.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/how-to-tell-if-someone-is-dead-signs

[ISpyWithMyEye]

A GP confirms death just by looking at someone?  I very much doubt it-----although I agree, he or she would have a good idea.

Mrs Wah, do you think the doctor had a “good idea” that June was dead by looking at her?

She had mottling, livor mortis, rigor mortis and her eyes were wide open.

Do you think doctors are so thick they would check for a pulse just in case they’re alive, when they’ve already entered rigor mortis?

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[adam]

The likely order is

Daniel & Nicholas -Two shots.

June - Five shots.

Nevill - Four shots.

Nevill - Four shots again.

June - Two shots.

Sheila - One shot.

Daniel & Nicholas - Six shots.

Sheila - One shot.

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He may have meant to only fire 3 shots into Nevill, leaving a bullet for Sheila. However Nevill moving changed that.

Or the over kill may have been the plan. Four accurrate head shots into Nevill would have either killed him or negated him & given Bamber time to re load downstairs.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The likely order is

Daniel & Nicholas -Two shots.

June - Five shots.

Nevill - Four shots.

Nevill - Four shots again.

June - Two shots.

Sheila - One shot.

Daniel & Nicholas - Six shots.

Sheila - One shot.

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He may have meant to only fire 3 shots into Nevill, leaving a bullet for Sheila. However Nevill moving changed that.

Or the over kill may have been the plan. Four accurrate head shots into Nevill would have either killed him or negated him & given Bamber time to re load downstairs.

That sounds spot on, Adam

The extra bullets he fired into the twins was to try and create someone going crazy, but here’s the problem with that:

If someone was going berserk shots would be firing all over the place.

Everywhere.

Yet EVERY SINGLE BULLET went into EVERYONE’S HEAD. Every bullet.

No-one who’s going berserk could aim so accurately, especially when they’ve never used a gun in their life.

Jeremy Bamber is so thick in many ways...

[APRIL]

That sounds spot on, Adam

The extra bullets he fired into the twins was to try and create someone going crazy, but here’s the problem with that:

If someone was going berserk shots would be firing all over the place.

Everywhere.

Yet EVERY SINGLE BULLET went into EVERYONE’S HEAD. Every bullet.

No-one who’s going berserk could aim so accurately, especially when they’ve never used a gun in their life.

Jeremy Bamber is so thick in many ways...

We keep hearing from supporters what a crack shot Jeremy was so he would have finished them all of with one strategically placed shot, ergo, it couldn't have been Jeremy. Now, WHY do they think that he'd be keen for the world to see the evidence of his prowess when he wanted his gun incompetent sister to get the blame. He HAD to make it look random and manic. Part of the problem was that every bullet went home. Something I don't believe would have occurred if the gun had been in the hands of a novice.

[Robittybob1]

That sounds spot on, Adam

The extra bullets he fired into the twins was to try and create someone going crazy, but here’s the problem with that:

If someone was going berserk shots would be firing all over the place.

Everywhere.

Yet EVERY SINGLE BULLET went into EVERYONE’S HEAD. Every bullet.

No-one who’s going berserk could aim so accurately, especially when they’ve never used a gun in their life.

Jeremy Bamber is so thick in many ways...

Yet EVERY SINGLE BULLET went into EVERYONE’S HEAD. Every bullet.  That is not true.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Yet EVERY SINGLE BULLET went into EVERYONE’S HEAD. Every bullet.  That is not true.

OK, Jeremy aimed for Nevill’s head on the stairs/landing and it hit his face — part of one’s HEAD.

One hit his shoulder CLOSE to his head.

Jeremy Bamber was AIMING for Nevill’s HEAD

In the kitchen Jeremy shot four bullets into Nevill’s HEAD.


He shot the twins in their HEADS


He had to shoot Sheila in the neck hoping the bullet would go to her brain — inside her HEAD

[Robittybob1]

OK, Jeremy aimed for Nevill’s head on the stairs/landing and it hit his face — part of one’s HEAD.

One hit his shoulder CLOSE to his head.

Jeremy Bamber was AIMING for Nevill’s HEAD

In the kitchen Jeremy shot four bullets into Nevill’s HEAD.


He shot the twins in their HEADS


He had to shoot Sheila in the neck hoping the bullet would go to her brain — inside her HEAD

I read today that June had shots to the legs and abdomen.    I don't know the full details.    But I think you'd be right if you said the majority of the shots were to the head.

[mrswah]

Mrs Wah, do you think the doctor had a “good idea” that June was dead by looking at her?

She had mottling, livor mortis, rigor mortis and her eyes were wide open.

Do you think doctors are so thick they would check for a pulse just in case they’re alive, when they’ve already entered rigor mortis?

Of course the doctor would have known she was dead.

I would imagine doctors have to do checks (even if, to us, they're a waste of time) and document their findings.

That is all I was saying-----if you find evidence that I'm wrong, let me know!

[barrier]

How long had your “old man” been dead, Barrier?

8 hrs,the Doctor had to confirm before the undertaker would deal with him.

[APRIL]

8 hrs,the Doctor had to confirm before the undertaker would deal with him.

I imagine, however dead someone is, the formality of pronouncing life extinct must be adhered to.

[barrier]

I imagine, however dead someone is, the formality of pronouncing life extinct must be adhered to.

My thoughts also, just imagine if Sheila being the last to be shot and only receiving two shots at that. somehow survived,how would they know if no sign of life was looked for.

Edit to add,the chap yesterday who its thought was in some kind of altercation with youths using catapults was pronounced dead at the scene,some one has do do it.

'Officers and South East Coast Ambulance Service attended and a man in his 60s was pronounced dead at the scene.

[The General]

I imagine, however dead someone is, the formality of pronouncing life extinct must be adhered to.

Is the right answer. It's a legal requirement.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

My thoughts also, just imagine if Sheila being the last to be shot and only receiving two shots at that. somehow survived,how would they know if no sign of life was looked for.

She didn’t survive, she was shot dead — the first bullet fractured her spine and ripped into her throat causing a massive blood spill and pool in her neck (which can be seen)

The second bullet went through her brain

Sheila was killed in the early hours ...hence why she she had mottling and was going into rigor mortis

So, in answer to your question, doctors would not look for pulses/signs of life when a body has livor mortis (blue mottling); the eyes are open or semi/open with fixed pupils; they are starting to decompose (bodies give off gases and the smell of decomposition starts quickly); and it’s obvious to anybody (especially a doctor ) that they’ve been dead for hours

[APRIL]

She didn’t survive, she was shot dead — the first bullet fractured her spine and ripped into her throat causing a massive blood spill and pool in her neck (which can be seen)

The second bullet went through her brain

Sheila was killed in the early hours ...hence why she she had mottling and was going into rigor mortis

So, in answer to your question, doctors would not look for pulses/signs of life when a body ihas livor mortis (blue mottling); the eyes are open or semi/open with fixed pupils; they are starting to decompose (bodies give off gases and the smell of decomposition starts quickly); and it’s obvious to anybody (espeially a doctor ) that they’ve been dead for hours

Spy, I feel certain that, when we've reached the stage of decomposition, it's no more than a cursory check, but it MUST be done. 'We', at that point have become the point of a check-list which must be seen to be completed at each stage until we're committed to either the oven, or the earth. It's not about OUR welfare, you understand -'WE' are dead- it's about the ubiquitous "they" being able to prove we were definitely so with out fear of being sued for compensation.