The phone call

[Caroline]

You still haven’t grasped the facts

It isn’t me who’s proving I’m right: I’m quoting the pathologist who proved Nevill was first shot in the bedroom. And unlike you and me, he’d know. As did the forensic team and ballistic experts.

To explain is to you in simple terms, when pathologists carry out autopsies they can determine when/how a person was killed

The pathologist knew for certain that the first four shots Nevill received didn’t kill him. One reason for that was his blood circulation was still working (dead people have no circulation), so therefore, Nevill’s blood in the bedroom that trailed down to the kitchen where he eventually died after being shot in the head, meant he must have first been shot in the bedroom — and the bullet casings were found there too

It’s very simple


As for the telephone, usually the ivory phone was in the master bedroom, but as the kitchen phone had been taken away for repairs (which I suspect was engineered by JB), the ivory phone was put into the kitchen as that’s where the family congregated. The usual kitchen phone was collected for repairs just a day or so prior to Jeremy killing his family, so one can assume Nevill himself transferred the bedroom phone into the kitchen as a temporary measure; but it’s irrelevant when it was put there — so I’m not sure why you’re asking

I strongly suspect, though, that Jeremy damaged the kitchen phone to make sure Nevill would bring down the ivory phone — rendering both Nevill and June helpless in dialling 999 if they heard noises downstairs when he climbed through the window

He put a lot of planning into those murders

He even asked Sheila just weeks before when she’d be bringing the twins down to stay: something he’d never, ever asked before in his life

It was all premeditated

Nevill's blood wasn't found in the bedroom.

The usual kitchen phone wasn't taken for repairs, that was the handsfree which just didn't work - it had a fault. Pike ordered another one and it had the same fault so the handsfree was just removed. The usual kitchen phone was in the magazine rack.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Nevill's blood wasn't found in the bedroom, just the casings (one on the stairs), his blood was found on the staircase wall.

Apologies — you’re right

Nevill’s blood was indeed on the stairwell, which again proves he was walking downstairs before he was finally killed

It deeply suggests that that when Jeremy snuck in through the window the Bamber’s woke up, probably due to Crispy barking (hence Jeremys deep hatred for the “yapping” dog) and Nevill had probably already got out of bed to investigate and was shot at the top of the staircase

It all makes sense now

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Thank you. I can see speculation but no underlying evidence in that article.

What are you struggling with?

It’s very simple...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I have never argued that Nevill wasn't shot in the bedroom. He obviously was because of the shell cases and it was obviously before the shots in the kitchen because they killed him. What I am suggesting is that he could have been in the kitchen using the phone before he was in the bedroom being shot. Can you prove that he wasn't?

Are you saying that Nevill, who was a fiercely good and strong man devoted to his family, would have left his wife and grandchildren upstairs while Sheila was going crazy with his rifle, and run downstairs to phone Jeremy, leaving precious seconds in which to disarm her?

Would YOU do that?

Nevill was no pushover. He was physically and mentally fit. He was 6”4”, strong, in excellent health and could’ve disarmed Sheila in an instant

To even suggest he’d phone Jeremy of all people when his family were in immediate grave danger makes you look idiotic

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I have never argued that Nevill wasn't shot in the bedroom. He obviously was because of the shell cases and it was obviously before the shots in the kitchen because they killed him. What I am suggesting is that he could have been in the kitchen using the phone before he was in the bedroom being shot. Can you prove that he wasn't?

Can you prove he was?

[G-Unit]

Can you prove he was?

As you obviously can't prove that he wasn't then there's a possibility that he was.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

As you obviously can't prove that he wasn't then there's a possibility that he was.

 I don’t  need to prove Nevill wasn’t making any phone calls — the pathologist proved that 😌

[APRIL]

As you obviously can't prove that he wasn't then there's a possibility that he was.

A possibilities are there of just about anything you care to name. What carries weight is the balance of probabilities.

[steve_trousers]

As you obviously can't prove that he wasn't then there's a possibility that he was.

The general consensus, is that on the balance of probabilities it was extremely unlikely that Nevill would have called his wastrel son for help instead of simply disarming Sheila or even calling the police. In fact Jeremy would be the last person he would call for help considering he had recently told Barbara Wilson he feared him.
The likelihood becomes even less if you presume that no shots have been fired yet.

The idea of the phone call was to give Jeremy an alibi, and it totally backfired on him.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The general consensus, is that on the balance of probabilities it was extremely unlikely that Nevill would have called his wastrel son for help instead of simply disarming Sheila or even calling the police. In fact Jeremy would be the last person he would call for help considering he had recently told Barbara Wilson he feared him.
The likelihood becomes even less if you presume that no shots have been fired yet.

The idea of the phone call was to give Jeremy an alibi, and it totally backfired on him.

We all know Jeremy Bamber killed his family, but let’s just suppose it wasn’t him

Why on Earth would Nevill have left Sheila “going crazy with a gun” alone upstairs where his wife and grandchildren were— in grave danger?

Sheila was unsteady as it was, and that rifle was not much shorter than her, which means it would’ve been easy for Nevil being strong, fit, 6”4” to grab hold of that long rifle and take it off her

So all this rubbish that Nevill may have left his wife & grandchildren to be shot dead, to phone his useless son who lived three miles away and would’ve been sleeping, to come and “rescue” him is utter madness

Going onto alibis...Jeremy does unwittingly trip himself up so often...

Here’s one of his letters to a “fan”, Trudie, mentioning the word “alibi”...that word is mentioned by those who are guilty — innocent people never say they have an alibi





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[APRIL]

We all know Jeremy Bamber killed his family, but let’s just suppose it wasn’t him

Why on Earth would Nevill have left Sheila “going crazy with a gun” alone upstairs where his wife and grandchildren were— in grave danger?

Sheila was unsteady as it was, and that rifle was not much shorter than her, which means it would’ve been easy for Nevil being strong, fit, 6”4” to grab hold of that long rifle and take it off her

So all this rubbish that Nevill may have left his wife & grandchildren to be shot dead, to phone his useless son who lived three miles away and would’ve been sleeping, to come and “rescue” him is utter madness

Going onto alibis...Jeremy does unwittingly trip himself up so often...

Here’s one of his letters to a “fan”, Trudie, mentioning the word “alibi”...that word is mentioned by those who are guilty — innocent people never say they have an alibi

It's only 3 miles from boundary to boundary. Jeremy lived outside of the Goldhanger boundary, and WHF lays well outside of the D'arcy boundary. In fact, it's probably closer to Tollesbury. If he hadn't wanted the police involved, IF Nevill had called anyone, the Folkes were his best bet, living only minutes away and unlike Jeremy, certain to go to his aid.

[G-Unit]

 I don’t  need to prove Nevill wasn’t making any phone calls — the pathologist proved that 😌

All he proved was that Nevill was shot four times upstairs and then finished off downstairs following a struggle. He had nothing to say about where Nevill was before the shooting started.

[Caroline]

All he proved was that Nevill was shot four times upstairs and then finished off downstairs following a struggle. He had nothing to say about where Nevill was before the shooting started.

So, no shooting going on - but Sheila has a gun and is seemingly going crazy. Why would Nevill leave her to call Jeremy?

[G-Unit]

So, no shooting going on - but Sheila has a gun and is seemingly going crazy. Why would Nevill leave her to call Jeremy?

If that's what he did then only he knows why. According to others there seemed to be something going on that evening. Barbara Wilson rang the house at 9:30 pm, spoke to Nevill and got the impression that she'd interupted an argument. Pamela Boutflower rang at 10:00 pm and thought June and Sheila didn't seem like themselves. Nevill was seen in the field collecting the rape harvest at 10:15 pm. What happened between then and approx. 03:30 am isn't known.

[mrswah]

I remember reading (and apologies, I can't recall where) that Nevill used to shower  downstairs every evening , and then sit down with a drink before bed. So, he would have been downstairs at some time in the evening. Why couldn't he have phoned Jeremy then, had Sheila begun to have a psychotic episode and had picked up a gun?