Zampo - The Full Story?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

even that's not correct...I asked for a cite because i want to know how reliable the information you've posted is...

I give up. You've worn me down.


"Zampo's ability was tested. In Örjeskogen, charcoal, burnt and unburned human bones, burnt human intestines and an animal bone were excavated. In addition, an empty pit was again filled. Zampo searched and marked on all the pits with human tissue, but also on the empty pit and on it with charcoal. The test report was thus a disaster. But the investigators wanted to trust Zampo. The report was buried in the preliminary examination material and the dog continued to be used."

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/0EgQqE/granskningen-som-fick-lambertz-att-erkanna-sitt-fel

[Mr Gray]

I give up. You've worn me down.


"Zampo's ability was tested. In Örjeskogen, charcoal, burnt and unburned human bones, burnt human intestines and an animal bone were excavated. In addition, an empty pit was again filled. Zampo searched and marked on all the pits with human tissue, but also on the empty pit and on it with charcoal. The test report was thus a disaster. But the investigators wanted to trust Zampo. The report was buried in the preliminary examination material and the dog continued to be used."

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/0EgQqE/granskningen-som-fick-lambertz-att-erkanna-sitt-fel

Two points...first we dont know how accurate that article is..
Second... the jersey childrens home was reputed to be the site of child murder...Eddie alerted 11 times. none of these alerts were confirmed and it was later confirmed there was no history of missing children. Doesnt that make Zampo's performance  similar to Eddie's.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Two points...first we dont know how accurate that article is..
Second... the jersey childrens home was reputed to be the site of child murder...Eddie alerted 11 times. none of these alerts were confirmed and it was later confirmed there was no history of missing children. Doesnt that make Zampo's performance  similar to Eddie's.

I knew I was on a hiding to nothing providing you with a cite, because I knew you would just say we don’t know how reliable it is. But IMO you really didn’t want to check if the information was correct, just to check my integrity.

Regarding Zampo and Eddie, Zampo alerted 59 times at 20 odd disparate sites. Excavations were carried out some as large as football pitches but not one single human bone or fragment were ever found.
In Jersey Eddie searched one site, Haut De La Garenne where on excavation human bones and milk teeth were found.

[Mr Gray]

I knew I was on a hiding to nothing providing you with a cite, because I knew you would just say we don’t know how reliable it is. But IMO you really didn’t want to check if the information was correct, just to check my integrity.

Regarding Zampo and Eddie, Zampo alerted 59 times at 20 odd disparate sites. Excavations were carried out some as large as football pitches but not one single human bone or fragment were ever found.
In Jersey Eddie searched one site, Haut De La Garenne where on excavation human bones and milk teeth were found.

Grime said in his whitepaper there would be no alerts to teeth....i dont think any of the bones were confirmed as human ......I dont see eddie being that superior to zampo.....How many actual remains has eddie found...not a lot

[Eleanor]

I knew I was on a hiding to nothing providing you with a cite, because I knew you would just say we don’t know how reliable it is. But IMO you really didn’t want to check if the information was correct, just to check my integrity.

Regarding Zampo and Eddie, Zampo alerted 59 times at 20 odd disparate sites. Excavations were carried out some as large as football pitches but not one single human bone or fragment were ever found.
In Jersey Eddie searched one site, Haut De La Garenne where on excavation human bones and milk teeth were found.

A request for a Cite is not a question of integrity.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

A request for a Cite is not a question of integrity.

I did say IMO that it was and I stand by my statement.
It was an irrelevant cite, what would have been proved if it had been proved to be incorrect?

[Mr Gray]

I did say IMO that it was and I stand by my statement.
It was an irrelevant cite, what would have been proved if it had been proved to be incorrect?

I wasnt questioning your integrity i was questioning the source of the information....so unfortunately you are wrong there too......

[Icanhandlethetruth]

I wasnt questioning your integrity i was questioning the source of the information....so unfortunately you are wrong there too......

But why were you questioning the source, what would it have changed if it was incorrect?

[Mr Gray]

But why were you questioning the source, what would it have changed if it was incorrect?

If you don't understand it's a waste of time me trying to explain....

[Icanhandlethetruth]

If you don't understand it's a waste of time me trying to explain....

It would have been easier to actually explain what would have changed than type that last statement. I am sure you have the time to indulge me with an explanation.

[Eleanor]

Please let's not turn this into an argument.  Neither of you are at fault as far as I can see.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Please let's not turn this into an argument.  Neither of you are at fault as far as I can see.

OK Eleanor, I respect your input and I will leave it there.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I give up. You've worn me down.


"Zampo's ability was tested. In Örjeskogen, charcoal, burnt and unburned human bones, burnt human intestines and an animal bone were excavated. In addition, an empty pit was again filled. Zampo searched and marked on all the pits with human tissue, but also on the empty pit and on it with charcoal. The test report was thus a disaster. But the investigators wanted to trust Zampo. The report was buried in the preliminary examination material and the dog continued to be used."

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/0EgQqE/granskningen-som-fick-lambertz-att-erkanna-sitt-fel

That’s not quite the same as what you wrote ie “ The police even set up a test for him with a pit with human remains and one without any and he failed this test”.  He did alert to the pits with human remains, but also alerted to the pits without.  Sounds like a typical cadaver dog to me.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

That’s not quite the same as what you wrote ie “ The police even set up a test for him with a pit with human remains and one without any and he failed this test”.  He did alert to the pits with human remains, but also alerted to the pits without.  Sounds like a typical cadaver dog to me.

Do you believe I was trying to mislead anyone? I am and was aware he alerted on both pits but as he alerted on the pit with no human remains that would be a fail wouldn't it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do you believe I was trying to mislead anyone? I am and was aware he alerted on both pits but as he alerted on the pit with no human remains that would be a fail wouldn't it.

No I don’t believe you are trying to mislead anyone, just from what you wrote it sounded to me like Zampo failed to alert to a pit full of human remains.