Those who had something positive to say about JB

[Holly Goodhead]

Initially, when the case was proceeding as murder/suicide, the tabloid media went into overdrive portraying SC as a "top model" who partied hard in London's clubs indulging heavily in hard drugs. In reality SC completed a modelling course and undertook a handful of paid assignments.  She was claiming DSS and as full-time carer to the twins (until her last breakdown Mar '85) she had neither the money or opportunity to party hard even if she had wanted to and there's no evidence for that either.  Toxicology results revealed traces of cannabis in her system and her psychiatrist said she did admit to using cocaine socially.

When the case changed to 5 murders the tabloid media did a complete U turn and once again went into overdrive this time denigrating JB with all sorts of untruths.

But it is simply untrue to say that no one believed in JB and everyone disliked him. I will upload statements from those who thought positively about JB.

It has always seemed to me those that testified against JB had something to gain:

Relatives - inherited the Bamber estate instead of JB

JM - relieved of potential criminal charges for cheque fraud, drug dealing and assisting JB to burgle the caravan park. She may also have been threatened with more serious crimes as it might have been put to her JB told her about his intentions based on the circa 3.30 am tel call.

CC - possibly felt less guilty about leaving SC and the twins shortly after they were born. And I would imagine it was easier for him to see JB murdering his sons than the mother of his children.

[APRIL]

Initially, when the case was proceeding as murder/suicide, the tabloid media went into overdrive portraying SC as a "top model" who partied hard in London's clubs indulging heavily in hard drugs. In reality SC completed a modelling course and undertook a handful of paid assignments.  She was claiming DSS and as full-time carer to the twins (until her last breakdown Mar '85) she had neither the money or opportunity to party hard even if she had wanted to and there's no evidence for that either.  Toxicology results revealed traces of cannabis in her system and her psychiatrist said she did admit to using cocaine socially.

When the case changed to 5 murders the tabloid media did a complete U turn and once again went into overdrive this time denigrating JB with all sorts of untruths.

But it is simply untrue to say that no one believed in JB and everyone disliked him. I will upload statements from those who thought positively about JB.

It has always seemed to me those that testified against JB had something to gain:

Relatives - inherited the Bamber estate instead of JB

JM - relieved of potential criminal charges for cheque fraud, drug dealing and assisting JB to burgle the caravan park. She may also have been threatened with more serious crimes as it might have been put to her JB told her about his intentions based on the circa 3.30 am tel call.

CC - possibly felt less guilty about leaving SC and the twins shortly after they were born. And I would imagine it was easier for him to see JB murdering his sons than the mother of his children.

At the very start, police and press alike, reported only what Jeremy had told them.

[Holly Goodhead]

At the very start, police and press alike, reported only what Jeremy had told them.

Are you saying the police don't investigate and the press don't research?  They are paid to do both not rely on what they're told by one individual.

If what you're saying is correct where did the story about June come from?

[APRIL]

Are you saying the police don't investigate and the press don't research?  They are paid to do both not rely on what they're told by one individual.

If what you're saying is correct where did the story about June come from?

There wasn't time, Holly. Local papers got the story out before the nationals. Those locals who knew June were aware of her mental health problems, but not Sheila's. It was after the dust settled, and they'd had time to research it, that the story started to look different.

[mrswah]

At the very start, police and press alike, reported only what Jeremy had told them.

 I would doubt that.  This was a close knit community, and there would have been neighbours ready and willing to talk, also those who worked at the farm.  Some of what they said might not have been true, but I bet they would have had plenty to say.

[APRIL]

I would doubt that.  This was a close knit community, and there would have been neighbours ready and willing to talk, also those who worked at the farm.  Some of what they said might not have been true, but I bet they would have had plenty to say.

Which is probably why erroneous stuff may have been printed. eg. From where -from whom- do you think they gleaned the knowledge that Sheila had ever been a "top model"? From whom might they have received the knowledge that she'd just come out of a psych hospital? The only thing 'locals' would have known -given how private were the Bambers- was that the Bambers were lovely people who they'd known a long time, or worked for for many years.

[barrier]

Which is probably why erroneous stuff may have been printed. eg. From where -from whom- do you think they gleaned the knowledge that Sheila had ever been a "top model"? From whom might they have received the knowledge that she'd just come out of a psych hospital? The only thing 'locals' would have known -given how private were the Bambers- was that the Bambers were lovely people who they'd known a long time, or worked for for many years.

Theres always the anonymous who knows of a dark family secret, which isn't one at all.

[Holly Goodhead]

Here's the evidence from JB's girlfriend pre JM.  Sue Ford was some years older than JB and at the time of her relationship with him sepatated from her husband who she had 3 children with.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=193.msg2097#msg2097

I'll upload more later after a spot of sunbathing 

[Caroline]

Initially, when the case was proceeding as murder/suicide, the tabloid media went into overdrive portraying SC as a "top model" who partied hard in London's clubs indulging heavily in hard drugs. In reality SC completed a modelling course and undertook a handful of paid assignments.  She was claiming DSS and as full-time carer to the twins (until her last breakdown Mar '85) she had neither the money or opportunity to party hard even if she had wanted to and there's no evidence for that either.  Toxicology results revealed traces of cannabis in her system and her psychiatrist said she did admit to using cocaine socially.

When the case changed to 5 murders the tabloid media did a complete U turn and once again went into overdrive this time denigrating JB with all sorts of untruths.

But it is simply untrue to say that no one believed in JB and everyone disliked him. I will upload statements from those who thought positively about JB.

It has always seemed to me those that testified against JB had something to gain:

Relatives - inherited the Bamber estate instead of JB

JM - relieved of potential criminal charges for cheque fraud, drug dealing and assisting JB to burgle the caravan park. She may also have been threatened with more serious crimes as it might have been put to her JB told her about his intentions based on the circa 3.30 am tel call.

CC - possibly felt less guilty about leaving SC and the twins shortly after they were born. And I would imagine it was easier for him to see JB murdering his sons than the mother of his children.

Liz Rimmington? Susan Battersby?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just because some people thought JB was alright doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.

[APRIL]

Just because some people thought JB was alright doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.

I believe Lord Longford thought Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were alright.

[Holly Goodhead]

Liz Rimmington? Susan Battersby?

Has anyone seen a wit stat from LR?  Did she testify against him at trial?  It is claimed she contacted DS Jones on behalf of JM.

SB was involved in the cheque fraud with JM.  It could also be said she was condoning the drug deals by obtaining money bags from the bank with JM and allowing them to be brought into the shared house where they were left hanging around.

[Myster]

Has anyone seen a wit stat from LR?  Did she testify against him at trial?  It is claimed she contacted DS Jones on behalf of JM.

SB was involved in the cheque fraud with JM.  It could also be said she was condoning the drug deals by obtaining money bags from the bank with JM and allowing them to be brought into the shared house where they were left hanging around.

LR told the court that Bamber was going to buy a Porsche (genuine, not kit) when the estate was settled.

[Caroline]

Has anyone seen a wit stat from LR?  Did she testify against him at trial?  It is claimed she contacted DS Jones on behalf of JM.

SB was involved in the cheque fraud with JM.  It could also be said she was condoning the drug deals by obtaining money bags from the bank with JM and allowing them to be brought into the shared house where they were left hanging around.

LR was indeed a witness at trial and made a statement on 11th September 1985. You could say she was condoning the drug dealing but that would just sound a bit desperate as does the excuse of the cheque book fraud.

[Holly Goodhead]

Just because some people thought JB was alright doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.

Please refer to the thread title.