would you leave your children alone like the mcanns did?? and if not why

[stephen25000]

Hello

I have been there and eaten in the outdoor restaurant as did The Mccanns.

It is effectively in the back garden of the apartments, but there is a walled walkway between it and the apartments, therefore a person must go back to the road via the reception to gain access to the apartments.  But have no doubts about it, it is part of the Ocean Club apartments and effectively the back garden.

As I have been shouting for about three years now, the distance from where we sat and ate at the Tapasrestaurant,  crow flies, to the patio doors is 50 metres.  To walk to the patio doors is under 80 metres.  In an emergency, a run of a few seconds for a fit person like Kate or Gerry.   The Mccanns sat in the same restaurant as us and just about 2 or 3 metres to the west of where we sat 

Where we and the Mccanns sat is NOT a bar; it is an outside restaurant.  The bar is the ?brick built proper building to the west of the Tapas Restaurant.  Many of the photographs on various websites are incorrectly (?Maliciously?) taken from this bar and they give a totally untrue image of the distance and visibility.

From photographs taken at the time of Madeleine's abduction, it is clear that all the bushes and hedges had just been cut back.  Many of the incorrect photos were taken months later when the foliage had grown and give a totally false impression.  Where we sat we had a clear view of virtually the whole patio door and the steps up.  The Mccanns view would have been almost the same.

Since going there it has sickened me to see the disinformation given out about the view the Mccanns had.  Disinformation and Propaganda are very powerful weapons and they have clearly devastated the truth.

All measurements taken by Google Earth

Thank you for that first hand account which effectively puts to bed so many myths and bits of fluff which are so often posted about these matters.

You ask me for proof and yet accept this  ?

First hand account ?

Of course because it reinforces your view the Mccanns did nothing wrong.

However, I must remember, it was 'inn' the back garden.

[sadie]

Stephen

I gave you a first hand account.  Are you calling me a liar?

[gilet]

Thank you for that first hand account which effectively puts to bed so many myths and bits of fluff which are so often posted about these matters.

You ask me for proof and yet accept this  ?

First hand account ?

Of course because it reinforces your view the Mccanns did nothing wrong.

However, I must remember, it was 'inn' the back garden.

Having previous knowledge of the poster and having previously seen further information, yes. 

Nothing to do with my view at all.

When you stop obsessing about your ethanol, maybe normality will resume for you?

[gilet]

Stephen

I gave you a first hand account.  Are you calling me a liar?

That would be the implication from his post.

I see he made the allegation through a post to me though, not directly to you. Interesting!

[stephen25000]

Stephen

I gave you a first hand account.  Are you calling me a liar?

As I have been told on here, word of mouth is not proof 

P.S. do you post and/or ..... or stm  ?

[John]

Lets all calm down please! 

[stephen25000]

You ask me for proof and yet accept this  ?

First hand account ?

Of course because it reinforces your view the Mccanns did nothing wrong.

However, I must remember, it was 'inn' the back garden.

Having previous knowledge of the poster and having previously seen further information, yes. 

Nothing to do with my view at all.

When you stop obsessing about your ethanol, maybe normality will resume for you?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not obsessed with alcohol.

I have merely pointed out it dulls the senses and reaction times, amongst other factors.

[stephen25000]

Lets all calm down please!

Sorry John.

[gilet]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not obsessed with alcohol.

I have merely pointed out it dulls the senses and reaction times, amongst other factors.

Ah, finally you are using the normal term for a bottle of wine.

But seriously, even if we accept your supposition that those checking the children had drunk a few glasses of wine, do you think they would be so incapable as not to be able to walk from the Tapas to the Apartment in under a minute. Do you not agree they may even have walked more quickly rather than more slowly?

[sadie]

Stephen

I gave you a first hand account.  Are you calling me a liar?

As I have been told on here, word of mouth is not proof 

P.S. do you post and/or ..... or stm  ?

No. I post on neither.

May i point out that there is a difference between a first hand account and a second or third hand account (with no name attached to the original that you have given)

[Eleanor]

La la la, I think I am getting a bit jaded for tonight.

What we must remember is that most people don't automatically believe that everyone is guilty.  However, those of The Pitch Forking mentality do.  This is their Raison d'etre.  This is what they do.  And there is no doubt that they were at it on day two.  These are the genetic left overs from The Witchcraft Trials.

I was given a mouthful of abuse on some Forum or another when I dared to suggest that it might be better to wait and see.  I do actually remember which Forum, but that is by the by.  I was shocked rigid, and could well have bailed out altogether.  Excepting that I do not take well to bullying, which is why I am still here.

But never the twain shall meet.  So it could be called a pointless exercise.  And I really do not know why I go on doing this.  Other than for the fact that their lies really annoy me.

[stephen25000]

Ah, finally you are using the normal term for a bottle of wine.

But seriously, even if we accept your supposition that those checking the children had drunk a few glasses of wine, do you think they would be so incapable as not to be able to walk from the Tapas to the Apartment in under a minute. Do you not agree they may even have walked more quickly rather than more slowly?

I suggest you look up studies on the effects of alcohol on human metabolisms,  both physiological and psychological.

Then tell me this.

Would you leave 3 small children unguarded in a house/apartment/ anywhere per se, where it was unlocked, merely to go out and drink, and have irregular checks, affected and distracted by socializing ?

[stephen25000]

Stephen

I gave you a first hand account.  Are you calling me a liar?

As I have been told on here, word of mouth is not proof 

P.S. do you post and/or ..... or stm  ?

No. I post on neither.

May i point out that there is a difference between a first hand account and a second or third hand account (with no name attached to the original that you have given)

Again, a  statement by you is not proof of anything.

I could state that I have seen a clump of dark matter levitating overhead, when I took my dog for a walk, but that is not proof, is it ?

[sadie]

I dont know where you get the 10 bottles of wine from?  This reminds me of Digital Spy forum, where Myths abounded.

All the talk on there was about them being at a bar 200 -300 metres away (or something like that), and on the Razzle, drinking 10 bottles of wine - in fact i think it was stretched to 14 on one occasion.

I am not about to look it up in the PJ files, but I think that the waiting staff said about 3 or 4 bottles of wine and they were not finished.  There is nothing unusual about someone having a 1/4 or 1/3 of a bottle, with a meal, over an hour and a half.  Nothing at all.  Most people would not really be affected by that amount. 

[Eleanor]

@ Stephen 25,000.  I have done just that.  And I cannot remember ever staggering home absolutely pissed.

Not enough attention is paid to the fact that I was not a bad parent for doing this.  And neither am I in the minority.

I find it to be quite amazing that people who confine their children to their bedrooms and their apron strings do not see that they do far more harm to their children than I ever did to mine.  It is ultimately a state of mind.  "I kept my children always in my sight, and never allowed them any freedom."  Well done, you all.  See where that will get your children.