Wandering off topic.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

However psychiatrists diagnose someone with psychopathy, I'd  bet you that looking at their eyes plays no part whatsoever!

Wow, how wrong you are!!

Psychiatrists and Psychologists take HUGE note of someone’s eyes — they give so much away!

I’m surprised you don’t realise that.

They check body language too, which you MUST know.

Why do you think police bring a psychiatrist in to watch someone who’s making a public appeal for someone close to them who’s gone missing? They don’t even know they’re being watched by a psychiatrist, and the psychiatrist obviously isn’t asking them questions 🙄

They’re watching their eyes, eye movements, blinking, arm/hand movements, touching their faces when they say certain things, listening to their speech, hesitations, everything

You’re so wrong.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Average intelligence plus perceptive and well educated? So many generalisations and assumptions. Jasper Carrott was good at it;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYYo49R_ZS0

Intelligence is totally separate to education. They’re two different things.

You could have a genius living in a wooden hut in the rain forest, but if they’ve never been told the capital of France is Paris they could never work it out, could they?🙄

Obviously, if you’re highly intelligent you’ll find processing information and working out mathematic/scientific problems easier, but they’re still two different things.

[Brietta]

However psychiatrists diagnose someone with psychopathy, I'd  bet you that looking at their eyes plays no part whatsoever!

I think it is very much a case of the whole being the sum of its parts and the eyes are in my opinion a part.  Quite a few people have told me they are finding it disturbing when being treated by medical staff whose faces are covered because they are wearing masks.  So I think we are subconsciousjy taking in a lot of information from expression and I think the more experienced a psychiatrist becomes the better s/he will become at being informed by reading demeanour and expression of which I think the eyes play an integral part.

[G-Unit]

You use the word 'qualified' quite often - how do you define that? Is someone only qualified if they have a certificate or would experience count? Unless you can define that word, you can't use it as a benchmark.

Qualifying as a psychiatrist takes years.
https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/become-a-psychiatrist/choose-psychiatry/how-to-become-a-psychiatrist

How can people have experience? Without the qualifications they can't work in the field. It would be like letting unqualified people perform operations.

[Holly Goodhead]

You use the word 'qualified' quite often - how do you define that? Is someone only qualified if they have a certificate or would experience count? Unless you can define that word, you can't use it as a benchmark.

Demonstrating competence by way of meeting a certain criteria and obtaining a qualification. 

[Eleanor]

How do you mean “as far as you’re aware” you’re of at least average intelligence? Is that you making assumptions or have you taken an IQ test?  I’ve taken one, at Mensa, when I was invited to after passing a Mensa test I saw advertised. They wrote back saying I’d scored 142 and so I went to be tested — I thought it might be fun being a Mensa member🧐

In the event, the test was strictly monitored and timed (there were about a dozen people taking it), and the examiner was somewhat intimidating which made my mind go blank. I knew I’d failed when I got to the spatial tests (my weak point) and started guessing as that darned clock ticked away. It wasn’t too bad, though, they wrote to me and said I’d scored 136 (you need 140 to pass) and said I could resit it after a year, but I never bothered...my daughter took the test too, (months after I did) and she also scored high (138), so I suspect intelligence may be inherited.

I wonder what Jeremy Bamber’s is?

I have always though him dim for a psychopath...

Oh, and I’m not keen on Beethoven, either...but you can’t deny he was a genius. There’s plenty of artists who create incredible work, but that doesn’t mean it appeals to each and every person !

I scored 149.  However, this has nothing to do with knowledge which I somewhat lack and which grieves me.  So never place too much importance on IQ.  You could well be far more knowledgeable than I am.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Qualifying as a psychiatrist takes years.
https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/become-a-psychiatrist/choose-psychiatry/how-to-become-a-psychiatrist

How can people have experience? Without the qualifications they can't work in the field. It would be like letting unqualified people perform operations.

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say?

We all have to start somewhere 🙄

My ex-boyfriend who was a psychiatrist at the Maudsley Hospital in London was 29 (10 years older than me) and when he first got his PhD he actually went into gynaecology & then went into psychiatry, which he preferred. He went on to become a Professor (good old Google) ....

Trudie has got a simple degree in law which I believe she took through the OU...I’m not sure what she intends to do with it being well into her late 50s...but I suppose she thinks it will impress certain people. She’s wrong. It doesn’t. Nor will it.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I scored 149.  However, this has nothing to do with knowledge which I somewhat lack and which grieves me.  So never place too much importance on IQ.  You could well be far more knowledgeable than I am.

You must be a Mensa member, then?

The pass rate is 140.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Demonstrating competence by way of meeting a certain criteria and obtaining a qualification.

It depends on what qualifications you’re talking about — some are much easier than others.

If you’re talking about medicine or law you either pass or fail. But if you pass you’re then a JUNIOR and it’s then you start gaining EXPERIENCE.

With experience comes KNOWLEDGE.

Junior doctors and solicitors are actually TRAINING when they start work.

You don’t become an EXPERT by passing a degree...all a degree shows is your ability to assimilate facts.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I scored 149.  However, this has nothing to do with knowledge which I somewhat lack and which grieves me.  So never place too much importance on IQ.  You could well be far more knowledgeable than I am.

Out of interest, Eleanor, where did you take your Mensa test?

I took mine at a university in central London on a Saturday morning.  It took about two hours, I seem to recall...

You must have been thrilled when they sent your your certificate and Mensa membership. Can we have a peep at it?😌

[Holly Goodhead]

It depends on what qualifications you’re talking about — some are much easier than others.

If you’re talking about medicine or law you either pass or fail. But if you pass you’re then a JUNIOR and it’s then you start gaining EXPERIENCE.

With experience comes KNOWLEDGE.

Junior doctors and solicitors are actually TRAINING when they start work.

You don’t become an EXPERT by passing a degree...all a degree shows is your ability to assimilate facts.

Most people these days need to demonstrate competence by way of passing exams and obtaining qualifications: law, medicine, electrician, plumber, food hygiene, hairdressing, car technician etc.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Most people these days need to demonstrate competence by way of passing exams and obtaining qualifications: law, medicine, electrician, plumber, food hygiene, hairdressing, car technician etc.

I think you’ll find that’s  ALWAYS been the case, Holly 😌

However, there are some trades where people don’t need to pass exams: hairdressers, plumbers, electricians etc can become an apprentice straight out of school...some hairdressers/plumbers/electricians go to college first, but many don’t. Car mechanics nearly always learn straight from school...they don’t go to college as all their work is practical.

Hairdressers don’t need any degrees at all, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have natural talent.

Plumbers and electricians will be limited to the work they do if they don’t get their City & Guilds, but many either work round that, or do them at night school while they’re working,

[G-Unit]

It depends on what qualifications you’re talking about — some are much easier than others.

If you’re talking about medicine or law you either pass or fail. But if you pass you’re then a JUNIOR and it’s then you start gaining EXPERIENCE.

With experience comes KNOWLEDGE.

Junior doctors and solicitors are actually TRAINING when they start work.

You don’t become an EXPERT by passing a degree...all a degree shows is your ability to assimilate facts.

What a good degree course does is far more than disseminate facts. It teaches students how to conduct research to find the facts themselves and to understand and use them. Students are taught to provide bibliographies too, to demonstrate where the facts came from. I take it you don't have one as you appear have no interest in providing the sources of your 'facts'?

[Eleanor]

Out of interest, Eleanor, where did you take your Mensa test?

I took mine at a university in central London on a Saturday morning.  It took about two hours, I seem to recall...

You must have been thrilled when they sent your your certificate and Mensa membership. Can we have a peep at it?😌

 
I am not a member of Mensa nor want to be.  I think they are a load of pretentious pratts.  Which is probably the most intelligent thing I have ever said. 
Besides, they wanted money that I couldn't afford to pay just to sit their Test. 

I took a Peripheral Test to see if I was worth their time and my money.  It was a money making exercise on their part.  They must have thought that I was half daft along with my IQ. 

But I had already been deemed as well above average at the age of twelve.  IQ doesn't change.  But neither does it help all that much when it comes to real life, apart from how to hang washing on the line to take up less space.

[Holly Goodhead]

I think you’ll find that’s  ALWAYS been the case, Holly 😌

However, there are some trades where people don’t need to pass exams: hairdressers, plumbers, electricians etc can become an apprentice straight out of school...some hairdressers/plumbers/electricians go to college first, but many don’t. Car mechanics nearly always learn straight from school...they don’t go to college as all their work is practical.

Hairdressers don’t need any degrees at all, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have natural talent.

Plumbers and electricians will be limited to the work they do if they don’t get their City & Guilds, but many either work round that, or do them at night school while they’re working,

It hasn't always been the case.