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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3165 on: June 23, 2020, 08:43:43 PM »
What it does show is that the investigators who have all the information beleive an abduction is certainly possible...contrary to what som eposters here and elsewhere have claimed

In my opinion abduction is possible - though I honestly believe MM died in the apartment. Although an abduction is possible I'm still waiting to be shown some evidence of it.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3166 on: June 23, 2020, 08:47:44 PM »
In my opinion abduction is possible - though I honestly believe MM died in the apartment. Although an abduction is possible I'm still waiting to be shown some evidence of it.

although I beleive maddie may have died in the apartment.......there is no evidence to support it.

Offline Erngath

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3167 on: June 23, 2020, 08:48:23 PM »
In my opinion abduction is possible - though I honestly believe MM died in the apartment. Although an abduction is possible I'm still waiting to be shown some evidence of it.

Does the fact that current police investigations are pursuing abduction not persuade you?
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Offline Erngath

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3168 on: June 23, 2020, 08:50:14 PM »
What does the number of convictions he had in 2007 got to do with it?  He has 17 convictions, that tells you the sort of person he is.  He lived in and around PdL in 2007 unless you know different? He certainly knew the area, or do you dispute this as well?  His friends may well have been paid for their interviews (there is no evidence to support it), but does that make what they have to say false?  Another thing you forgot to mention in your brief summing up of this man, is that he is also being considered as a suspect in a number of other missing children cases.  Is it the case that this poor man is being scapegoated for these crimes as well in your view or do you think the police have good reason to investigate him further for these abductions and  murders?  Someone did them, and I doubt it was the parents in each case.  What sort of a man abducts and rapes children?  One a bit like Bruckner perhaps, or not really?

Indeed
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Offline Leepal

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3169 on: June 23, 2020, 08:53:28 PM »
Does the fact that current police investigations are pursuing abduction not persuade you?

A suspect could make a full confession, show the police where the body is, which has his DNA on it, and still there will be people saying the McCann's did it.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3170 on: June 23, 2020, 08:53:58 PM »
Whether or not the Judicial Police were ever of the opinion that Smithman was either important or even a piece of the jigsaw will remain only a matter for your speculation, unless you have some documentation which actually shows they did.

You know ... something along the lines of a televised public appeal ~ a notice in the street asking for witnesses ~ a mention on the PJ website ~ anything at all which would show they had any interest at all in Smithman.

Why on earth would the PJ have wanted Mr Smith to return to Portugal when they had already proved that was unnecessary because his amended statement was quite simply wrong.

Amaral tells it like this:

........"When we receive this information, at the end of September, we think we finally have the piece that will allow us to complete the puzzle. Because of this, we may be able to reconstruct the course of events on that cold night of May 3rd in Vila da Luz. We have a better understanding of why Jane Tanner, "sent," the alleged abductor in the opposite direction to that taken by the man seen by the Smith family. Suspicion had to be diverted from Gerald who - if he was the guilty party - would have taken this route: leaving apartment 5A, the individual who was carrying the child, did not go east, towards Murat's house, but west in the direction of the beach.

We decide to get the Smiths back to the Algarve, for a formal identification of Gerry McCann - by means of televised images, certainly - direct confrontation being impossible - and possibly proceed to a reconstruction of the events of the night of May 3rd. The National Director of the Judiciary police agrees, the process is set in motion, all the details are sorted out; all that remains is to choose the hotel where they will be put up. But the Smiths were never to come back to Portugal. After my departure, the PJ were to change their minds."
...........

Offline Erngath

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3171 on: June 23, 2020, 08:58:07 PM »
Amaral tells it like this:

........"When we receive this information, at the end of September, we think we finally have the piece that will allow us to complete the puzzle. Because of this, we may be able to reconstruct the course of events on that cold night of May 3rd in Vila da Luz. We have a better understanding of why Jane Tanner, "sent," the alleged abductor in the opposite direction to that taken by the man seen by the Smith family. Suspicion had to be diverted from Gerald who - if he was the guilty party - would have taken this route: leaving apartment 5A, the individual who was carrying the child, did not go east, towards Murat's house, but west in the direction of the beach.

We decide to get the Smiths back to the Algarve, for a formal identification of Gerry McCann - by means of televised images, certainly - direct confrontation being impossible - and possibly proceed to a reconstruction of the events of the night of May 3rd. The National Director of the Judiciary police agrees, the process is set in motion, all the details are sorted out; all that remains is to choose the hotel where they will be put up. But the Smiths were never to come back to Portugal. After my departure, the PJ were to change their minds."
...........

And his departure was when?
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Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3172 on: June 23, 2020, 09:10:03 PM »
Does the fact that current police investigations are pursuing abduction not persuade you?

Since the inception of Grange, thats all they've pursued.
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Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3173 on: June 23, 2020, 09:10:45 PM »
A suspect could make a full confession, show the police where the body is, which has his DNA on it, and still there will be people saying the McCann's did it.

Its good to see fantasy is these difficult times.
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Offline Erngath

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3174 on: June 23, 2020, 09:11:08 PM »
Since the inception of Grange, thats all they've pursued.

Who is "they"?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3175 on: June 23, 2020, 09:35:04 PM »
Its good to see fantasy is these difficult times.
What do you find fantastical about Leepal’s observation?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3176 on: June 23, 2020, 09:54:04 PM »
What does the number of convictions he had in 2007 got to do with it?  He has 17 convictions, that tells you the sort of person he is.  He lived in and around PdL in 2007 unless you know different? He certainly knew the area, or do you dispute this as well?  His friends may well have been paid for their interviews (there is no evidence to support it), but does that make what they have to say false?  Another thing you forgot to mention in your brief summing up of this man, is that he is also being considered as a suspect in a number of other missing children cases.  Is it the case that this poor man is being scapegoated for these crimes as well in your view or do you think the police have good reason to investigate him further for these abductions and  murders?  Someone did them, and I doubt it was the parents in each case.  What sort of a man abducts and rapes children?  One a bit like Bruckner perhaps, or not really?

He either did it or he didn't. You seem to want it to be him, which I find a bit strange. Repeating all the speculations and half-truths which have been written by journalists convinces only those who believe the rubbish they print.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3177 on: June 23, 2020, 09:56:58 PM »
Does the fact that current police investigations are pursuing abduction not persuade you?

We don't know what the PJ are investigating, and the Germans are investigating a murder. OG are investigating an abduction but not a murder.
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Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #3178 on: June 23, 2020, 10:14:38 PM »
He either did it or he didn't. You seem to want it to be him, which I find a bit strange. Repeating all the speculations and half-truths which have been written by journalists convinces only those who believe the rubbish they print.

Indeed. The need for this man to be the perpetrator seems visceral for some. There seems no thought for what this would mean for Madeleine herself.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3179 on: June 23, 2020, 10:18:12 PM »
He either did it or he didn't. You seem to want it to be him, which I find a bit strange. Repeating all the speculations and half-truths which have been written by journalists convinces only those who believe the rubbish they print.
Oh dear, you’re another one who seems to think that I actively want it to be true that the man abducted, raped and murdered children including Madeleine.  What, may I ask, gives you that idea?  Also what have I repeated that is speculation and half-truth? 
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