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Offline sadie

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #270 on: August 31, 2020, 01:06:26 AM »
I agree with your analysis, Anthro.   Bruckner may well have been commissioned to take Madeleine.

Remember, the day before, he boasted about picking up a large amount of money for a job he was doing the next day …. and that he would be away for a while.

That sounds like a commission to me.


And now I am going to have lunch and a snooze.

Aditionally, Bruckners lawyer has said that Bruckner did not kill Madeleine … but as far as I am aware, he has never said that Bruckner had no part in Madeleines abduction.  If he had no part in Madeleines abduction, then why on earth didn't Bruckners Lawyer say that ?

I am thinking that Bruckner was involved in the abduction, but as a commission, and that he never physically harmed Madeleine, but passed her on to someone else, who carried her up to Porto/ Vila Nova de Gaia, where there were sightings.  Strangely these sightings seem to have been kept quiet.   I wonder, why?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #271 on: August 31, 2020, 10:13:08 AM »

It has never sat well with me that Madeleine's parents have been vilified for years without ever been charged for any crimes.......never mind being found guilty of violent rape and child abuse as this present suspect has!

In my opinion the media used very emotive language, describing the McCanns as 'anguished' devastated' heartbroken' 'fraught' 'emotional' etc. People looked and saw a couple who were showing no signs of any of those feelings.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #272 on: August 31, 2020, 10:18:12 AM »
In my opinion the media used very emotive language, describing the McCanns as 'anguished' devastated' heartbroken' 'fraught' 'emotional' etc. People looked and saw a couple who were showing no signs of any of those feelings.

I saw all those emotions... I think you would have to be blind to have missed them

Offline Erngath

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #273 on: August 31, 2020, 10:28:04 AM »
In my opinion the media used very emotive language, describing the McCanns as 'anguished' devastated' heartbroken' 'fraught' 'emotional' etc. People looked and saw a couple who were showing no signs of any of those feelings.

Should you not qualify your use of the word" people" .
Lots of people saw a couple displaying those emotions.
Perhaps not you and some others here but I and others did see a heartbroken couple.
Did this seeming lack of emotion according to you influence your belief that Madeleine`s parents are complicit in her disappearance.





Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Erngath

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #274 on: August 31, 2020, 10:30:15 AM »
I saw all those emotions... I think you would have to be blind to have missed them

Agreed.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #275 on: August 31, 2020, 10:36:45 AM »
In my opinion the media used very emotive language, describing the McCanns as 'anguished' devastated' heartbroken' 'fraught' 'emotional' etc. People looked and saw a couple who were showing no signs of any of those feelings.
IN YOUR OPINION.   In the opinion of the FLO's around them, people used to dealing with grief stricken relatives, the McCanns' showed all the signs of anguished, devastated parents but I suppose those watching minute long clips on the evening news from the comfort of their armchairs like you are in a much better position to judge.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #276 on: August 31, 2020, 10:37:14 AM »
Should you not qualify your use of the word" people" .
Lots of people saw a couple displaying those emotions.
Perhaps not you and some others here but I and others did see a heartbroken couple.
Did this seeming lack of emotion according to you influence your belief that Madeleine`s parents are complicit in her disappearance.

If  a couple in the McCanns situation showed none of these eemotions I would agree it would raise suspicion...so IMO gunits doubts are not based on fact
 
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Offline Brietta

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #277 on: August 31, 2020, 10:38:07 AM »
In my opinion the media used very emotive language, describing the McCanns as 'anguished' devastated' heartbroken' 'fraught' 'emotional' etc. People looked and saw a couple who were showing no signs of any of those feelings.

In my opinion ~ on this thread the discredited "body language" game of interpreting the significance of which ear Gerry chose to scratch has absolutely no currency.

We should be looking at the known facts about a very dangerous deviant indeed who may or may not have had a hand in kidnapping Madeleine McCann.
In my opinion there are plenty to be going on with although I doubt very much that all has yet been revealed and that sadly there will be much more to come.  We have no idea the full catalogue of the evidence held by the German authorities.

Certainly three police forces are showing an intense interest in checking Brueckner out.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #278 on: August 31, 2020, 10:40:05 AM »
Should you not qualify your use of the word" people" .
Lots of people saw a couple displaying those emotions.
Perhaps not you and some others here but I and others did see a heartbroken couple.
Did this seeming lack of emotion according to you influence your belief that Madeleine`s parents are complicit in her disappearance.
People on the spectrum often find it hard to read emotions in others and also often lack empathy and emotional intelligence.  Perhaps this is one explanation why some people were unable to see the anguish in the McCanns?  Perhaps they can only read anguish if it is full on screaming and crying but miss more subtle restrained examples of despair and heartbreak?  Just a thought...
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Offline Brietta

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #279 on: August 31, 2020, 11:16:23 AM »
People on the spectrum often find it hard to read emotions in others and also often lack empathy and emotional intelligence.  Perhaps this is one explanation why some people were unable to see the anguish in the McCanns?  Perhaps they can only read anguish if it is full on screaming and crying but miss more subtle restrained examples of despair and heartbreak?  Just a thought...

The Philpots 'did' anguish and Brueckner seems to have made an excellent fist of being just the guy next door for many of the acquaintances we have seen interviewed.

The known facts of his life tell a very different story from the 'cheecky chappie' we have seen putting himself out to assist people taking part in a competition and mixing normally with the citizens of Luz for many years while holding down some ordinary jobs.

For years many professional investigators, starting with the McCann private detectives, have outlined the profile they thought a suspect would exhibit.
Indeed it was allegations such as that which helped to put Murat into the frame and attempts were made to manufacture out of nothing quite a bit about deviancy concerning others.

Brueckner ticks all of the boxes as far as profile and location goes but in the face of all the sidetracking mainly as a result of Amaral's heavily promoted hypothesis nobody even bothered to investigate that type of possibility.

Thirteen years have come and gone now and the mistakes of the past cannot be erased.  But thinking people should be determined not to repeat them in future.  And at the moment the future of Madeleine's investigation in particular, lies in following paths suggested by checking out individuals like Brueckner.
Which is precisely what is happening.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #280 on: August 31, 2020, 03:25:41 PM »
IN YOUR OPINION.   In the opinion of the FLO's around them, people used to dealing with grief stricken relatives, the McCanns' showed all the signs of anguished, devastated parents but I suppose those watching minute long clips on the evening news from the comfort of their armchairs like you are in a much better position to judge.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-express/20071024/281505041857257

MADDY: FATHER PLAYED TENNIS AFTER SHE VANISHED

Wednesday October 24,2007
By David Pilditch in Praia da Luz

THE father of Madeleine McCann stunned hotel staff by organising a game of tennis while the massive hunt for his daughter was under way, it was revealed yesterday.

Waiter Jose Baptista, 45, told how the staff were amazed by the calm demeanour of Gerry McCann and his wife Kate in the agonising days after Madeleine disappeared.

Heart specialist Gerry, 39, is also said to have regularly wandered down to the tapas bar at the family"s holiday complex where he was given free bottles of wine to take back to his apartment. Mr Baptista added that staff at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz rarely saw the McCanns display any emotion away from the TV cameras.

"If my kid disappeared I"d go insane. I wouldn"t be able to function. They"d have to lock me away," said Mr Baptista.

"They were so cool about it. All the staff commented about how they were able to play tennis and take things calmly. Everybody around them seemed more upset than they were.

"They very rarely showed any signs of affection like they did for the cameras. I think I saw them holding hands once. But they weren"t always together and affectionate like they are in front of the cameras. I never saw close contact."

Mr Baptista said he often saw the couple after Madeleine, four, went missing " especially at the tapas bar where they had been dining when she vanished on May 3.

Mr Baptista, who has been interviewed twice by Portuguese police, said: "The McCanns moved to another apartment but we still saw them.

"The management told us we shouldn"t charge them for anything because of their situation. Gerry would often come up to the bar to ask for a beer or a bottle of white wine.

"Sometimes we would take them some dinner to their apartment because they didn"t want to eat in the restaurant.

"What we found really strange was Gerry playing tennis a few days after the little girl disappeared.

"He played with an old couple from England. I just thought that everybody else in the group seemed more upset and stressed and bothered than the parents.

"They are very cool people. I never saw them cry or anything. They played tennis and went jogging. They didn"t seem as distraught as their friends."

A source close to the couple"s lawyers said that, in the days after Madeleine disappeared, they were advised by criminal psychologists not to display too much emotion in case a kidnapper was watching. He said: "They were told a child abductor might be getting his kicks from their grief so they should try to maintain an air of calm.

"They were very conscious whoever had taken their daughter may be watching their every move and Madeleine"s life may depend on their reactions and appearance.

"Who would not behave differently, even "oddly", in such circumstances? Inside, this was, and continues, to tear them apart."

Mr Baptista, who served the McCanns on the night Madeleine disappeared, has told the Daily Express how the couple and their seven holiday friends made a special arrangement with resort managers to be allowed to dine in the tapas bar. For four nights the group, known as the Tapas Nine, spent around three hours there while their children were left unattended.

Mr Baptista said he told police, during two interviews lasting four hours, that he believed Madeleine"s disappearance could only have been the fault of her parents or a family friend.

The group could not see the McCanns" apartment from their table.

Mr Baptista also said he cannot understand why the group did not use the resort"s babysitter service which would have cost "10 an hour between them. He insisted it would have been impossible for an abductor to strike without being seen.

Mr Baptista also claimed that when GP Kate, 39, reported Madeleine missing it was the first time she had checked on her. Until then, only the men had looked in on the children.

Portuguese police have accused Kate of accidentally killing her daughter inside the couple"s apartment and Gerry of helping to dispose of the body.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #281 on: August 31, 2020, 03:31:55 PM »
FFS.  "Gerry stunned hotel staff" said some pernicious tabloid article.  Meanwhile in the real world the FLOs assigned to the case said in their police statements the McCanns behaved just as any normal anguished, despairing parents would in the circumstances. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #282 on: August 31, 2020, 03:55:55 PM »

It's called Endorphins.

Offline kizzy

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #283 on: August 31, 2020, 05:20:54 PM »
FFS.  "Gerry stunned hotel staff" said some pernicious tabloid article.  Meanwhile in the real world the FLOs assigned to the case said in their police statements the McCanns behaved just as any normal anguished, despairing parents would in the circumstances.

So why are you getting so worked up about it VS.

Offline kizzy

Re: Known Facts About The Recent 'Suspect'
« Reply #284 on: August 31, 2020, 05:26:39 PM »
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-express/20071024/281505041857257

MADDY: FATHER PLAYED TENNIS AFTER SHE VANISHED

Wednesday October 24,2007
By David Pilditch in Praia da Luz

THE father of Madeleine McCann stunned hotel staff by organising a game of tennis while the massive hunt for his daughter was under way, it was revealed yesterday.

Waiter Jose Baptista, 45, told how the staff were amazed by the calm demeanour of Gerry McCann and his wife Kate in the agonising days after Madeleine disappeared.

Heart specialist Gerry, 39, is also said to have regularly wandered down to the tapas bar at the family"s holiday complex where he was given free bottles of wine to take back to his apartment. Mr Baptista added that staff at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz rarely saw the McCanns display any emotion away from the TV cameras.

"If my kid disappeared I"d go insane. I wouldn"t be able to function. They"d have to lock me away," said Mr Baptista.

"They were so cool about it. All the staff commented about how they were able to play tennis and take things calmly. Everybody around them seemed more upset than they were.

"They very rarely showed any signs of affection like they did for the cameras. I think I saw them holding hands once. But they weren"t always together and affectionate like they are in front of the cameras. I never saw close contact."

Mr Baptista said he often saw the couple after Madeleine, four, went missing " especially at the tapas bar where they had been dining when she vanished on May 3.

Mr Baptista, who has been interviewed twice by Portuguese police, said: "The McCanns moved to another apartment but we still saw them.

"The management told us we shouldn"t charge them for anything because of their situation. Gerry would often come up to the bar to ask for a beer or a bottle of white wine.

"Sometimes we would take them some dinner to their apartment because they didn"t want to eat in the restaurant.

"What we found really strange was Gerry playing tennis a few days after the little girl disappeared.

"He played with an old couple from England. I just thought that everybody else in the group seemed more upset and stressed and bothered than the parents.

"They are very cool people. I never saw them cry or anything. They played tennis and went jogging. They didn"t seem as distraught as their friends."

A source close to the couple"s lawyers said that, in the days after Madeleine disappeared, they were advised by criminal psychologists not to display too much emotion in case a kidnapper was watching. He said: "They were told a child abductor might be getting his kicks from their grief so they should try to maintain an air of calm.

"They were very conscious whoever had taken their daughter may be watching their every move and Madeleine"s life may depend on their reactions and appearance.

"Who would not behave differently, even "oddly", in such circumstances? Inside, this was, and continues, to tear them apart."

Mr Baptista, who served the McCanns on the night Madeleine disappeared, has told the Daily Express how the couple and their seven holiday friends made a special arrangement with resort managers to be allowed to dine in the tapas bar. For four nights the group, known as the Tapas Nine, spent around three hours there while their children were left unattended.

Mr Baptista said he told police, during two interviews lasting four hours, that he believed Madeleine"s disappearance could only have been the fault of her parents or a family friend.

The group could not see the McCanns" apartment from their table.

Mr Baptista also said he cannot understand why the group did not use the resort"s babysitter service which would have cost "10 an hour between them. He insisted it would have been impossible for an abductor to strike without being seen.

Mr Baptista also claimed that when GP Kate, 39, reported Madeleine missing it was the first time she had checked on her. Until then, only the men had looked in on the children.

Portuguese police have accused Kate of accidentally killing her daughter inside the couple"s apartment and Gerry of helping to dispose of the body.


I think he summed it up spot on.......IMO the holding hands at every interview had an ulterior motive,