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Offline Caroline

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2020, 01:28:29 PM »
Chief Sup Harris saw the authentic soc ie SC's head raised against the bedside cabinet and everthing else in situ ie bible and rifle.  The soc images represent the soc after it had been interfered with not by JB but those at soc.

Not this again, her head couldn't have been  raised at that  point.

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Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2020, 01:30:29 PM »
All officers at soc incl the police surgeon were signed up to murder/suicide.  DS Jones was the only early dissenter but he was never a rising star.  He retired at DS rank.

First respondents arrived circa 4 am.  They then had to call firearms and get authorisation for such an operation and wait until all these people arrived.  Upon arrival they sought JB's input re the layout of the farmhouse and assigned positions to firearms officers.  In between this they attempted to make contact with the farmhouse via a loud jailer.  All these things take time.

Whats that got to do with anything?

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2020, 05:13:14 AM »
That's how it was on the TV series!

I suspect there was at least a little  dramatic effect there,to be honest.


TV programmes depict true happenings to make for easier viewing, but it’s absolutely true that ALL the police officers agreed they thought Jeremy was the culprit. That’s one of the reasons why Taff was slung off the case.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2020, 05:19:16 AM »
Chief Sup Harris saw the authentic soc ie SC's head raised against the bedside cabinet and everthing else in situ ie bible and rifle.  The soc images represent the soc after it had been interfered with not by JB but those at soc.


Sheila’s head was NOT raised against the cabinet!

Why do a minority of people insist thus when there’s absolutely NOTHING in writing, and no photographs saying/to show her head was raised?!

It’s so illogical to keep this ridiculous rumour up.

The blood on Sheila’s face was running UPWARDS: you’re trying to defy gravity!

Sheila’s head was FLAT on the floor .

And why the hell would the police MOVE her head?!
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2020, 05:27:46 AM »
All officers at soc incl the police surgeon were signed up to murder/suicide.  DS Jones was the only early dissenter but he was never a rising star.  He retired at DS rank.

First respondents arrived circa 4 am.  They then had to call firearms and get authorisation for such an operation and wait until all these people arrived.  Upon arrival they sought JB's input re the layout of the farmhouse and assigned positions to firearms officers.  In between this they attempted to make contact with the farmhouse via a loud jailer.  All these things take time.

At the soc the officers went along with what Taff and Harris said  — and they were proved WRONG when Jeremy was convicted due to all the subsequent overwhelming evidence.

You try and debase DS Jones by saying he wasn’t a “rising star” but it was due to HIM that Jeremy Bamber didn’t get away murdering his family. Whilst DCI Taff Jones got SLUNG OUT it was DS Jones who took the glory for discovering the truth! DS Jones was known be highly intelligent; had a sense of humour; and was popular — everything Taff lacked. I’m sure Taff Jones didn’t feel a “star” when he got slung off the case!
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2020, 06:01:24 AM »
All officers at soc incl the police surgeon were signed up to murder/suicide.  DS Jones was the only early dissenter but he was never a rising star.  He retired at DS rank.

First respondents arrived circa 4 am.  They then had to call firearms and get authorisation for such an operation and wait until all these people arrived.  Upon arrival they sought JB's input re the layout of the farmhouse and assigned positions to firearms officers.  In between this they attempted to make contact with the farmhouse via a loud jailer.  All these things take time.



Holly, Inspectors spend more time running their team than working on the frontline. They delegate, but don’t do the nitty gritty hands-on work. So in a way their detective skills may not be as sharp as the detective sergeants  who actually attend scene crimes and interview suspects,


Inspectors plan, manage and monitor complex front line and/or specialist operational policing (even arranging traffic operations when marches are taking place!) and also make informed deployment decisions to ensure best use of available resources

They’re more desk bound than frontline, and their job is to “police the police”. Being an Inspector doesn’t mean they have better detective skills.
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Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2020, 09:05:06 AM »
Chief Sup Harris saw the authentic soc ie SC's head raised against the bedside cabinet and everthing else in situ ie bible and rifle.  The soc images represent the soc after it had been interfered with not by JB but those at soc


Thats quite a statement Holly, what in the way of evidence do you have to back this assertion up ?
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Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2020, 10:19:35 AM »


Holly, Inspectors spend more time running their team than working on the frontline. They delegate, but don’t do the nitty gritty hands-on work. So in a way their detective skills may not be as sharp as the detective sergeants  who actually attend scene crimes and interview suspects,


Inspectors plan, manage and monitor complex front line and/or specialist operational policing (even arranging traffic operations when marches are taking place!) and also make informed deployment decisions to ensure best use of available resources

They’re more desk bound than frontline, and their job is to “police the police”. Being an Inspector doesn’t mean they have better detective skills.

I assume they become inspectors because they showed very good detective skills in the past!

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2020, 04:09:46 PM »
I assume they become inspectors because they showed very good detective skills in the past!

Not necessarily.

They could have other skills which make the suitable for promotion (which they apply for) if they’re good team leaders.
But whatever rank they are they aren’t infallible, and can make mistakes — a perfect example being Taff Jones.

Remember, they rely on the work carried out by their team: they don’t get their “own hands dirty” as it were. Taff Jones only spent 15 minutes at the soc, which is appalling when you consider the gravity of what happened. I believe he was anxious to go and play golf...
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Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2020, 07:06:00 PM »
Not necessarily.

They could have other skills which make the suitable for promotion (which they apply for) if they’re good team leaders.
But whatever rank they are they aren’t infallible, and can make mistakes — a perfect example being Taff Jones.

Remember, they rely on the work carried out by their team: they don’t get their “own hands dirty” as it were. Taff Jones only spent 15 minutes at the soc, which is appalling when you consider the gravity of what happened. I believe he was anxious to go and play golf...
If Taff Jone's mistake was reading the crime scene incorrectly as four murders and one suicide rather than five murders made to look like "four murders and one suicide", I'd have to agree with you.

It is incredible to think he only spent 15 minutes at the soc.  It made me think of other cases where the person in charge seems to spend very little time at the soc.  (McCann case sprung to mind where Amaral seems to be absent).
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Offline Caroline

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2020, 08:16:56 PM »

Thats quite a statement Holly, what in the way of evidence do you have to back this assertion up ?

None.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2020, 10:13:55 PM »
If Taff Jone's mistake was reading the crime scene incorrectly as four murders and one suicide rather than five murders made to look like "four murders and one suicide", I'd have to agree with you.

It is incredible to think he only spent 15 minutes at the soc.  It made me think of other cases where the person in charge seems to spend very little time at the soc.  (McCann case sprung to mind where Amaral seems to be absent).



I agree with you, Rob

Taff Jones must have just glanced at the positions and states of the bodies for about no more than 1-2 minutes, taking into account the other five minutes he zoomed through the whole house talking to officers.

How he was able to check all doors/windows/rooms and inspect them thoroughly; look at guns, ammunition, blood stains  in five minutes flat and establish it was a murder/suicide means he didn’t study the scene at all. He made a snap decision because the rifle was on Sheila’s lap. Some brain he had!  No wonder the Home Secretary was disgusted and opened an inquiry into how sloppy the team were taking orders from Taff.

It was outrageous.
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Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2020, 11:11:54 PM »


I agree with you, Rob

Taff Jones must have just glanced at the positions and states of the bodies for about no more than 1-2 minutes, taking into account the other five minutes he zoomed through the whole house talking to officers.

How he was able to check all doors/windows/rooms and inspect them thoroughly; look at guns, ammunition, blood stains  in five minutes flat and establish it was a murder/suicide means he didn’t study the scene at all. He made a snap decision because the rifle was on Sheila’s lap. Some brain he had!  No wonder the Home Secretary was disgusted and opened an inquiry into how sloppy the team were taking orders from Taff.

It was outrageous.
And there seemed to be (at least in the dramatisations) that the subordinates were not allowed to question the boss or the Super as they called him.
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Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2020, 07:12:18 AM »
And there seemed to be (at least in the dramatisations) that the subordinates were not allowed to question the boss or the Super as they called him.

Since the series aired, police chiefs have been at pains to defend Taff's reputation, saying he'd been misrepresented. I don't recall that they used expressions such as "much loved", "well liked", and "popular". All of these thing, it seems, he wasn't