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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2020, 12:38:41 PM »
Did he admit  to it?


Taff Jones was known never to admit to his mistakes.

That was his downfall
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2020, 12:41:02 PM »
Can you provide a cite that confirms that?  I was under the impression the number of samples taken in a suicide case would be limited.

Depends what method the victim used

Tablets, hanging, car exhaust fumes etc...whatever method they use the police take ALL evidence and items, including photographs of the scene.

No, Iím not providing cites. If you want to Google and find some, feel free.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2020, 06:24:03 PM »

Thats quite a statement Holly, what in the way of evidence do you have to back this assertion up ?

Quite an armoury actually  ?>)()<

Firstly there's A/PS Woodcock's wit stat re SC's head raised against the bedside cabinet:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3171.0;attach=3600

This is at odds with soc images but bizarrely is supported by testimony from prosecution expert Martyn Ismail:

518. To decide whether we considered that the interests of justice required that we heard Mr Ismail's evidence, we first had regard to the evidence that it was said that he could give. From the blood staining he concluded that following the second and fatal shot Sheila Caffell was lying almost flat on her back with her head propped against a bedside cabinet. For her then to slide to be found in the position depicted in the photographs would have required the downward force to be greater than the friction of her body against the floor. In his opinion this simply was not possible as there would only be the weight of the head providing the downward force. Therefore he concluded that an additional force would have been necessary. It could not have come from Sheila Caffell since the second shot would have been instantly fatal and thus she must have been moved by someone else, for example with her legs being pulled. He also considered that the weight and the friction between her skin and her nightdress was likely to have been less than the weight and friction between the nightdress and the carpet. Therefore, he would expect movement of the body within the nightdress rather than the body and clothing sliding together across the carpet. He pointed out that the photographs demonstrated this effect at the back of the nightdress with the nightdress staying rucked up in its original position. However the front of the nightdress had not demonstrated this effect. Accordingly Mr Ismail concluded that the nightdress had been pulled down after Sheila Caffell slid into her final position. Since on the evidence, she was dead by this stage, Mr Ismail concluded that some one else had arranged her nightdress.

I'll post the other bits later.
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Offline Caroline

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2020, 07:44:23 PM »
Quite an armoury actually  ?>)()<

Firstly there's A/PS Woodcock's wit stat re SC's head raised against the bedside cabinet:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3171.0;attach=3600

This is at odds with soc images but bizarrely is supported by testimony from prosecution expert Martyn Ismail:

518. To decide whether we considered that the interests of justice required that we heard Mr Ismail's evidence, we first had regard to the evidence that it was said that he could give. From the blood staining he concluded that following the second and fatal shot Sheila Caffell was lying almost flat on her back with her head propped against a bedside cabinet. For her then to slide to be found in the position depicted in the photographs would have required the downward force to be greater than the friction of her body against the floor. In his opinion this simply was not possible as there would only be the weight of the head providing the downward force. Therefore he concluded that an additional force would have been necessary. It could not have come from Sheila Caffell since the second shot would have been instantly fatal and thus she must have been moved by someone else, for example with her legs being pulled. He also considered that the weight and the friction between her skin and her nightdress was likely to have been less than the weight and friction between the nightdress and the carpet. Therefore, he would expect movement of the body within the nightdress rather than the body and clothing sliding together across the carpet. He pointed out that the photographs demonstrated this effect at the back of the nightdress with the nightdress staying rucked up in its original position. However the front of the nightdress had not demonstrated this effect. Accordingly Mr Ismail concluded that the nightdress had been pulled down after Sheila Caffell slid into her final position. Since on the evidence, she was dead by this stage, Mr Ismail concluded that some one else had arranged her nightdress.

I'll post the other bits later.

And your claim is at odds with gravity.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2020, 08:23:15 PM »
And your claim is at odds with gravity.

Not if the blood you see leaking from various places originated from blood which had pooled in the back of the throat and leaked when SC was pulled by the feet and her head fell flat to the floor.

How do you think MI accounted for the trails? 
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Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2020, 08:28:31 PM »
Not if the blood you see leaking from various places originated from blood which had pooled in the back of the throat and leaked when SC was pulled by the feet and her head fell flat to the floor.

How do you think MI accounted for the trails?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2020, 08:37:52 PM »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.

Offline Caroline

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2020, 10:41:04 PM »
Not if the blood you see leaking from various places originated from blood which had pooled in the back of the throat and leaked when SC was pulled by the feet and her head fell flat to the floor.

How do you think MI accounted for the trails?

I agree with MI - but not that the police moved her and neither does MI.

He certainly happened before Woodcock saw her because he mentions the blood having run from the sides of her mouth.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2020, 11:45:29 AM »
Quite an armoury actually  ?>)()<

Firstly there's A/PS Woodcock's wit stat re SC's head raised against the bedside cabinet:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3171.0;attach=3600

This is at odds with soc images but bizarrely is supported by testimony from prosecution expert Martyn Ismail:

518. To decide whether we considered that the interests of justice required that we heard Mr Ismail's evidence, we first had regard to the evidence that it was said that he could give. From the blood staining he concluded that following the second and fatal shot Sheila Caffell was lying almost flat on her back with her head propped against a bedside cabinet. For her then to slide to be found in the position depicted in the photographs would have required the downward force to be greater than the friction of her body against the floor. In his opinion this simply was not possible as there would only be the weight of the head providing the downward force. Therefore he concluded that an additional force would have been necessary. It could not have come from Sheila Caffell since the second shot would have been instantly fatal and thus she must have been moved by someone else, for example with her legs being pulled. He also considered that the weight and the friction between her skin and her nightdress was likely to have been less than the weight and friction between the nightdress and the carpet. Therefore, he would expect movement of the body within the nightdress rather than the body and clothing sliding together across the carpet. He pointed out that the photographs demonstrated this effect at the back of the nightdress with the nightdress staying rucked up in its original position. However the front of the nightdress had not demonstrated this effect. Accordingly Mr Ismail concluded that the nightdress had been pulled down after Sheila Caffell slid into her final position. Since on the evidence, she was dead by this stage, Mr Ismail concluded that some one else had arranged her nightdress.

I'll post the other bits later.



Yes, Jeremy pulled Sheila by her feet and ankles (hence why her feet were pointed in an unnatural downward position), and in doing so her nightie bunched up startled the front too. Thatís why he pulled the front down. But he didnít realise the back would be bunched up too.

One thing that confuses me is that I read Sheila wasnít wearing any knickers. Not sure if thatís true or not.

But it seems strange she wasnít when all women wear knickers when theyíre menstruating. And her soiled ones were soaking in the bucket, so she did wear them, obviously.

Just seems strange...
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The chain of command in the Bamber inquiry
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2020, 11:48:10 AM »
I agree with MI - but not that the police moved her and neither does MI.

He certainly happened before Woodcock saw her because he mentions the blood having run from the sides of her mouth.


Sheila was pulled down long before the police raided

The blood on her face, which ran horizontally and upwards was dry.

That canít be denied.
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