Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Robittybob1]

Of absolutely no relevance then.

It is a sample.

[Robittybob1]

She survived when her family were slaughtered...and you made a  joke about it... disgusting

I'm not laughing.
Can you find that photo again?

[Mr Gray]

I'm not laughing.
Can you find that photo again?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10634.msg518690#msg518690

[Mr Gray]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2694572/Parents-four-children-shot-dead-Texas-family-massacre-laid-rest-six-white-coffins.html

[Robittybob1]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10634.msg518690#msg518690

Got the case: "The sole survivor was 15-year-old Cassidy Stay,[7] a student at Klein Collins High School,[27] who was able to phone police and inform them that Haskell was planning to attack her grandparents next.[12][17][28] She was released from the hospital on July 11.[21][29][30][31]

Cassidy Stay's survival of the shooting and her participation in Haskell's apprehension have earned her praise from the public.[32] An online fundraiser campaign for her on Gofundme received more than 16,000 participants and over $406,000 in donations.[33]" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Harris_County_shooting#Victims

You find it OK for her to smile?  Survival and bringing the perp to justice was something to smile about.  What did Gerry have to smile about?

[Mr Gray]

Got the case: "The sole survivor was 15-year-old Cassidy Stay,[7] a student at Klein Collins High School,[27] who was able to phone police and inform them that Haskell was planning to attack her grandparents next.[12][17][28] She was released from the hospital on July 11.[21][29][30][31]

Cassidy Stay's survival of the shooting and her participation in Haskell's apprehension have earned her praise from the public.[32] An online fundraiser campaign for her on Gofundme received more than 16,000 participants and over $406,000 in donations.[33]" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Harris_County_shooting#Victims

You find it OK for her to smile?  Survival and bring the perp to justice was something to smile about.  What did Gerry have to smile about?

Your posts and observations are absolute nonsense

[Robittybob1]

Your posts and observations are absolute nonsense

What did Gerry have to smile about?  https://youtu.be/-rv0vQueIWo  "HILARITY from Gerry McCann just DAYS after Madeleine MISSING!"

This time could you answer the question, please?

[Erngath]

Your posts and observations are absolute nonsense

An accurate observation
A conclusion I reached some time ago.

[G-Unit]

We know that Eddie alerts to blood as well as Cadaver, don't we ?   Keela alerted to blood in there and Madeleine had grazed her knee on the plane steps, also we understand that one of the children had a nose bleed. 

Eddie is/was an exciteable dog, and it was his first apartment, it seems.   He wanted his reward; was it a tennis ball?    So he could have alerted to this blood, or to any remnant scent from the ashes/watch/ hospital pyjamas of Tasmin Silences Grandpa, who died whilst resident in that flat.


BTW, since when have you become an expert about the training and handling of this type of dog.  Do you have any worthwhile experience in the matter?   If you don't then your opinion is valueless imo. especially as you are so biased as to only allow for the one scenario.

Are you suggesting that Madeleine grazed her knee in the UK and then waited until she reached 5A to squash herself behind a sofa to bleed? That sounds likely (not).

I'm pretty sure you don't have any evidence that TS's grandfather lived in 5A.

I'm not an expert on the training and handling of those dogs, which is why, unlike some, I refrain from criticising the actions of those who are experts.

[sadie]

As a UK police officer he advised the FBI and Stockham in setting up their programme. He was certainly in the US as Eddie's training was enhanced by expanding his training to include actual cadavers before attending PdL.

In 2010 he was contracted to work for them to provide Subject Matter Expert consultancy to the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Evidence Response Team in respect of the Forensic Canine Program, Victim Recovery Team.

"In 2010 or 2011, Grime started to work with the FBI to help develop its program. The program started seeing improved results after Grime’s involvement. "
http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavwp/0140174.pdf

The enhanced part.  And the cadaver part.

It is my understanding that at the time that Eddie was deployed on the Madeleine case, the only cadavers that Eddie had come across were animal, non human ones, young pigs.   It was against The Law to use Human cadavers in the UK for such training work.  Because he was trained on pigs carcases he was (artificially, IMO) given the status of 'Enhanced'.  This made Eddie sound important IMO and helped sell his services.

In the USA, human carcases were used and some time after Eddies time on the Madeleine case, this so called enhanced dog went to the States.   There he was trained on human carcases.   But it is my belief that it was after 'The Madeleine case', not before.

So now we have the well trained Eddie who will alert to

1)  dessicated human blood odour from a living person
2)  Cadaver odour from a human corpse, and
3)  Cadaver odour from a piglet


Does this mean that now that he is trained for human cadaver odour, so recognises 3 different odours, he will need a third dog to sort out between pig cadaver odour and human cadaver odour?

He only needed one (keela) before

[sadie]

Are you suggesting that Madeleine grazed her knee in the UK and then waited until she reached 5A to squash herself behind a sofa to bleed? That sounds likely (not).

I'm pretty sure you don't have any evidence that TS's grandfather lived in 5A.

I'm not an expert on the training and handling of those dogs, which is why, unlike some, I refrain from criticising the actions of those who are experts.

I am suggesting that Madeleines knee
1)  may well have had to wait until arrival at 5A to be cleaned and dressed, or if she is anything like me
2)  she would have picked the newly formed scab off.   I always did and it bled.  But we don't know. 
The first thing that children would be likely to do after a quick look at all the rooms and a bounce on the beds is to look out of all the windows. 

Btw, do you KNOW that the settee was pushed right back under the window when they arrived?   No, you DONT

3)  Additionally, we understand that one of the children had a nose bleed in 5A.


There are reports, which have been on  here several times and you must have seen that Tasmins grandparents lived in 5A.  It is probably in Tasmins statement or the PJ statements; it is definitely in some of the videos that you have seen as well.
   
You will have seen it and I am not falling for that deliberate  timewaster again.   


So three possible sources of blood, apart from previous tenants

[sadie]

Well at least you haven't ruled out woke and wandered. Davel: "woke and wandered around one per cent"  Thanks for the support of my theory.

I have ruled it out Rob.

No anxious child of 3/4 y.o. would close all the doors behind her, if she left via the patio window exit - and that is, if she could open them in the first case.  Three doors/gates opened and closed in all.  Patio, Child safety gate, and garden gate.

No child of 3/4 would dare to go along a high walled passageway in near darkness had she somehow managed to leave via the front door, which was in pitch blackness.  Most especially so, as the winds were gusting and the fonds on the surrounding trees would be moving causing what little light in the passageway to throw frightening shadows.

I don't believe she exited via the window, cos no finger prints nor fibres and I doubt that she would be strong enough to lift the shutters.  Also no sign of skin or blood where she would have landed.

And she left her beloved comforter Cuddle cat behind.

She was taken.  It was planned.  She was taken with a purpose.  And she still lives IMO from the evidence that I have found.

[Brietta]

Are you suggesting that Madeleine grazed her knee in the UK and then waited until she reached 5A to squash herself behind a sofa to bleed? That sounds likely (not).

I'm pretty sure you don't have any evidence that TS's grandfather lived in 5A.

I'm not an expert on the training and handling of those dogs, which is why, unlike some, I refrain from criticising the actions of those who are experts.

I believe the only people who bled behind that sofa were the officers tasked with lifting the floor tiles.  Madeleine most certainly did not.  Nor did she bleed anywhere else in the apartment.

The expert dog handler in Madeleine's case has been consistently misrepresented by the "dogs don't lie" brigade. Martin Grime has stated unequivocally that dog alerts must be substantiated by forensic evidence. 

This is the iconic picture which is used to misrepresent and promote the idea that Eddie is alerting to that which he was trained to ~ and so he is as the forensics have proved.
But you and I and anyone who knows anything about it knows his alert was absolutely nothing to do with a dead body absent or present and all to do with residue on the key fob left by a living, breathing person because Eddie alerts to a lot of things.

[Robittybob1]

I have ruled it out Rob.

No anxious child of 3/4 y.o. would close all the doors behind her, if she left via the patio window exit - and that is, if she could open them in the first case.  Three doors/gates opened and closed in all.  Patio, Child safety gate, and garden gate.

No child of 3/4 would dare to go along a high walled passageway in near darkness had she somehow managed to leave via the front door, which was in pitch blackness.  Most especially so, as the winds were gusting and the fonds on the surrounding trees would be moving causing what little light in the passageway to throw frightening shadows.

I don't believe she exited via the window, cos no finger prints nor fibres and I doubt that she would be strong enough to lift the shutters.  Also no sign of skin or blood where she would have landed.

And she left her beloved comforter Cuddle cat behind.

She was taken.  It was planned.  She was taken with a purpose.  And she still lives IMO from the evidence that I have found.

What you have forgotten is that the front door can be opened from inside, and can be closed by someone else. 

[Robittybob1]

An accurate observation
A conclusion I reached some time ago.

I haven't seen enough posts from you to draw any conclusions as yet.   But if you agree with Davel there isn't much hope for your posts to impress me.