Jane Tanner's interview with The Sun on 20 November 2007

[C.Edwards]

It seems your comprehension isn't what it should be so I'll explain more fully.

Tanner agreed ( and until we know the full story we can only guess why ) to say she saw Gerry talking to Wilkins just before she saw a man with a child walking away from the direction of the apartments. The story was detailed in the timeline agreed by the group, including Tanner and the McCanns, and was handed into the PJ on the 10th of May. On the same day Gerry was questioned and no doubt having been made aware that the PJ were sceptical of his claim that he didn't see Tanner while talking to Wilkins, added veracity to it by saying he had crossed over to the other side of the road therefore making the scenario more plausible. Of course if Tanner was then found out to be liar in the future he would also have distanced himself from her lie as he had not claimed to have seen her.

Tanner didn't try to save her own skin, she was metaphorically thrown under the nearest bus by her supposed friend Gerald McCann.

Mindreading again.

Just saving debunker the effort this time. ;-)


(It's a very plausible explanation to me, but none of the pros will buy it Faithlilly.)

[debunker]

It seems your comprehension isn't what it should be so I'll explain more fully.

Tanner agreed ( and until we know the full story we can only guess why ) to say she saw Gerry talking to Wilkins just before she saw a man with a child walking away from the direction of the apartments. The story was detailed in the timeline agreed by the group, including Tanner and the McCanns, and was handed into the PJ on the 10th of May. On the same day Gerry was questioned and no doubt having been made aware that the PJ were sceptical of his claim that he didn't see Tanner while talking to Wilkins, added veracity to it by saying he had crossed over to the other side of the road therefore making the scenario more plausible. Of course if Tanner was then found out to be liar in the future he would also have distanced himself from her lie as he had not claimed to have seen her.



Tanner didn't try to save her own skin, she was metaphorically thrown under the nearest bus by her supposed friend Gerald McCann.

Mindreading again.



Just saving debunker the effort this time. ;-)


(It's a very plausible explanation to me, but none of the pros will buy it Faithlilly.)

Because itrequires knowledge that is impossible to acquire- mindreading.

[faithlilly]

I know CE. That's the thing with closed minds :0(

[faithlilly]

@ debunker

I'd be interested to hear if you think McCann's recollection of having crossed over the road to talk to Wilkins is correct even though two separate witnesses contradict it and if you believe  McCann's recollection is wrong how does that impact on the fact McCann or Wilkins didn't see Tanner on a very narrow piece of pavement when one of them must have been facing ?

[faithlilly]

@ Martha

At or near the apartment gate, just like Tanner.

[faithlilly]

Nope.  Still as clear as mud to me - your theory makes little sense as it doesn't begin to adequately explain why Gerry would seek to discredit his friend who had agreed to go along with the supposed deception.  If Gerry HAD claimed he'd seen her, and it could somehow have been proven that it couldn't have been Jane at a later date then he could simply have said "oh, I must have been mistaken, must've been on another occasion or it was a woman who looked like JT, it was dusk, blah blah blah)".    By the way where did Jez Wilkins say he and Gerry talked?

[faithlilly]

@ Martha

Everyone with an ounce of sense seems to understand my reasoning, even if they don't agree, so I'm afraid I'd be wasting my time explaining things any further to you.

[faithlilly]

@ Martha

At or near the apartment gate, just like Tanner.

So, how did JT know where Gerry and Wilkins were chatting if she was never there?

Perhaps Gerry told her eh

[John]

Isn't it strange how the most unlikely occurrences sometimes turn out to be the truth.  Good points by the way in relation to why Gerry didn't see Jane Tanner.

[faithlilly]

@ Martha

The lying with regard to where McCann was standing was done when, I assume, it was pointed out to him by the PJ how unbelievable it was he  didn't see Tanner and he had no other choice. He certainly agreed on the 10th May timeline that he was standing just up from the apartment gate.

[John]

@ Martha

The lying with regard to where McCann was standing was done when, I assume, it was pointed out to him by the PJ how unbelievable it was he  didn't see Tanner and he had no other choice. He certainly agreed on the 10th May timeline that he was standing just up from the apartment gate.

It is quite understandable that he did not see Tanner that night.  Why should he?

They never conversed, they never acknowledged each other?   Gerry was simply engrossed in a conversation with a friend.

[faithlilly]

@ John and Martha

Why when faced with the fact that the two other witness there on the night both said that Gerry was on the other side of the road did he not just admit that he must have been mistaken ? Why undermine the whole testimony of his main witness, on camera, by adamantly sticking to his version of the story ?

[faithlilly]

@ John and Martha

Why when faced with the fact that the two other witness there on the night both said that Gerry was on the other side of the road did he not just admit that he must have been mistaken ? Why undermine the whole testimony of his main witness, on camera, by adamantly sticking to his version of the story ?

Hey, that's pretty much MY question!  Care to answer?

You know my answer now are you going to answer or just keep stalling ?

[Gadfly1.3]

Enjoyed reading through this old thread.

Given that things have moved on a little since, vis-a-vis Crimewatch, does anyone have any additional thoughts?

Two points from me:

1) Two witnesses -- Jane Tanner and Jeremy Wilkins -- both saw Gerry McCann on the street that night.  Jeremy Wilkins was never regarded, by the PJ, as having any involvement in Madeleine's removal from 5A.
2) The man Jane Tanner identified -- has now been found by SY -- wearing 'uncannily similar' clothing on the night.  SY ruled out his potential involvement with Madeleine's removal from 5A.

[Miss Taken Identity]

" Minutes later Jane saw Kate. Close to tears, Jane admitted she could not bear to tell her about the man.  She said: "At that time it seemed everyone thought Madeleine was hiding.  I knew that if I told her about the man it would shatter that.  I was also hoping desperately that I’d been wrong. Instead I took another friend, Fiona, to one side and told her...then, at around 11.15, two policemen arrived and I told them.  Later CID arrived."

So we have two people who claim that they knew Maddie was abducted right away!

1. Why did Jane Tanner NOT scream at the Man (abductor) hey what you doing with Madeleine? and sought help from Gerry and Jes who were in the street? AND WHY WAIT UNTIL an hour and 15 minutes to tell the police a child was abducted? Seriously? come on. She saw a man OK,let's accept that, but did she see a stranger abductor running away with Maddie and not say anything?  pppft

Yes so asking Jane  WHY not alert someone that Maddie was being abducted by a stranger? oh yes reasonable answer is because you never witnessed Maddie being abducted by a stranger did you dearie?

2. Kate knew right away with the whooshing curtains,open window,jemmied shutters but didn't scream 'someone has abducted our daughter  help, help, someone call the police!!!!!!  oh, yes ,that's right they thought she was hiding..hmmmm