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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2430 on: April 01, 2023, 01:19:00 PM »
Leans latest of AW "stomping up and down the path" of saying "It's a mess -------" Is this LM again or from them all? For what was LM doing when this was taking place?  Calm as you like soaking everything up, revelling in the response of his actions?

That’s exactly what if sounds like the psycho killer was doing - 14 years old - similar to Aiden Fucci

And he stayed over the other side of that wall while Stephen Kelly and Alice Walker climbed over

He was probably getting off on it

And Sandra Lean’s nonsense that at 14 years old he didn’t have the life experience

He was raised by Corinne Mitchell - a women who had ‘issues’ from having been adopted - who was drinking heavily and smoking weed and was said to be ‘mad as a hatter’


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2431 on: April 01, 2023, 01:24:34 PM »
Of AW and the sense of evil, the hairs standing up on the back of her neck, turning around and LM was standing directly behind her, watching her! Was this at the point of her frantic response, a mind quite clearly about to explode from that horror!

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2432 on: April 01, 2023, 01:30:15 PM »
10 -15mins of arriving at a path, not imagining for one moment that anything would be found at all, caught up in a rapid series of events fully led by LM, from worry to the most unimaginable horror ever! The very stuff the nightmares are actually made up of!

Those recordings played in court, LM and his flat affect tones whilst those screams resounded in the background, to the next and SK screaming at the operator in comparison to LM's flat affect tones!

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Yep

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But gaslighter Sandra Lean did not attend the 42 day trial and did not - and does not - have a clue of all the evidence heard through out those 42 days

And she’s been making it up ever since!
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2433 on: April 01, 2023, 01:32:26 PM »
To LM blanking his mother, that "child" who needed NO one, not his mother, his father nor his brother - In full control of everything!

Stop f..king phoning me” ~ Psycho killer Luke Mitchell to his mother Corinne at 00:30hrs on the 1st July 2003 - according to Scott Forbes
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2434 on: April 01, 2023, 01:48:27 PM »
The scraping of the defence, to try and find anything of normality in that "child" - "His eyes were wide --" dam right they would have been wide! But not out of any shock that is for sure! Special knowledge, he had NOT been anywhere near to that body at this point, walking around 10 paces behind that wall and stop then return ---- Facts that cannot ever be changed.

And nothing was ‘hidden’ in this case - especially around circumstantial DNA evidence !
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2435 on: April 01, 2023, 01:49:35 PM »
Krissy Porteous
Something that I’ve thought about before but after watching the podcast about the newly discovered samples and listening to Sandra talk about the lack of paper trail for the illegal destruction, put it bk into my head,  why is there no paper trail for the crime scene and who done what? Back in the day every officer had a notebook,they wrote statements in and the workings of the ‘office day in them’, ie what happened when, where and by who and the like(now it’s wee computer things) there’s also a chain of evidence that’s meant to happen to prevent evidence becoming tainted or contaminated. Who decided that they weren’t going to do use them? For instance the first 2 cops on the scene should have noted when officer Craig Dobbie arrived and at what time,then from there it should have been noted anytime someone/something was moved/found, it should have been noted when forensics arrived and what forensics officers turned up and on it should go, there should have been hundreds of entries in those pads about that night and for them to be incomplete or missing from every officers book/computer what does that say? Why wasn’t it noted who moved jodis body or bagged her clothes up(in the wrong way) or cut branches down or took photos or any of the other things that happened that night? The decisions to do these things were came to by someone, why does NO ONE know who? Weird,weird and bloody weirder is the only way to describe this whole case. Ultimately though who should be held accountable for the lack of paperwork?


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2436 on: April 01, 2023, 01:52:58 PM »
Krissy Porteous
Something that I’ve thought about before but after watching the podcast about the newly discovered samples and listening to Sandra talk about the lack of paper trail for the illegal destruction, put it bk into my head,  why is there no paper trail for the crime scene and who done what? Back in the day every officer had a notebook,they wrote statements in and the workings of the ‘office day in them’, ie what happened when, where and by who and the like(now it’s wee computer things) there’s also a chain of evidence that’s meant to happen to prevent evidence becoming tainted or contaminated. Who decided that they weren’t going to do use them? For instance the first 2 cops on the scene should have noted when officer Craig Dobbie arrived and at what time,then from there it should have been noted anytime someone/something was moved/found, it should have been noted when forensics arrived and what forensics officers turned up and on it should go, there should have been hundreds of entries in those pads about that night and for them to be incomplete or missing from every officers book/computer what does that say? Why wasn’t it noted who moved jodis body or bagged her clothes up(in the wrong way) or cut branches down or took photos or any of the other things that happened that night? The decisions to do these things were came to by someone, why does NO ONE know who? Weird,weird and bloody weirder is the only way to describe this whole case. Ultimately though who should be held accountable for the lack of paperwork?


It was all noted Krissy Porteous!
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2437 on: April 01, 2023, 01:56:07 PM »
Krissy Porteous
Something that I’ve thought about before but after watching the podcast about the newly discovered samples and listening to Sandra talk about the lack of paper trail for the illegal destruction, put it bk into my head, why is there no paper trail for the crime scene and who done what? Back in the day every officer had a notebook,they wrote statements in and the workings of the ‘office day in them’, ie what happened when, where and by who and the like(now it’s wee computer things) there’s also a chain of evidence that’s meant to happen to prevent evidence becoming tainted or contaminated. Who decided that they weren’t going to do use them? For instance the first 2 cops on the scene should have noted when officer Craig Dobbie arrived and at what time,then from there it should have been noted anytime someone/something was moved/found, it should have been noted when forensics arrived and what forensics officers turned up and on it should go, there should have been hundreds of entries in those pads about that night and for them to be incomplete or missing from every officers book/computer what does that say? Why wasn’t it noted who moved jodis body or bagged her clothes up(in the wrong way) or cut branches down or took photos or any of the other things that happened that night? The decisions to do these things were came to by someone, why does NO ONE know who? Weird,weird and bloody weirder is the only way to describe this whole case. Ultimately though who should be held accountable for the lack of paperwork?

Again - it was noted Krissy Porteous

And there’s no evidence the clothing was bagged ‘in the wrong way’ - Donald Findlay would have highlighted this during the trial if it was the case. It wasn’t!

Gaslighter Sandra Lean either doesn’t know - remember she didn’t attend the 42 day trial - or she isn’t going to tell you because she wants to keep the fraud going round and do all she can to stop people from seeing her for what she really is

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2438 on: April 01, 2023, 02:03:09 PM »
Sandra Lean (5 days ago)
Gary Peden Absolutely, Gary. We're already considering a protest on the basis of what we already know, to make sure they know we know. They MUST release those samples - anything less is completely unacceptable


Suspect they’ll be less people at the next ‘protest’ than there was at the previous one - where around 20-30 people appear to have turned up
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2439 on: April 01, 2023, 03:12:57 PM »
Heather
@Truth4Luke
Replying to
@InnocenceFraudW
 @SacredGeoInt
  and 2 others
Who killed himself, who raped an old lady, who married him.
Stephanie Hall
6:53 pm · 29 Mar 2023

Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
Replying to
@Truth4Luke
@InnocenceFraudW
  and 3 others
Heather do not even bother engaging with that thing ! I blocked ages ago! Waste of energy
6:55 pm · 29 Mar 2023

Heather
@Truth4Luke
Replying to
@danitoe
@InnocenceFraudW
  and 3 others
You're right, it's a nasty evil s..m of a woman
6:57 pm · 29 Mar 2023

Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
Replying to
@Truth4Luke
@InnocenceFraudW
  and 3 others
Continue educating those who will listen and have a proper conversation and discussion...no chance with the thing at all. X
7:00 pm · 29 Mar 2023

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2440 on: April 01, 2023, 03:20:36 PM »
Sandra Lean
Caroline Mcindoer Oh, lord, Caroline, I don't know how to answer that. Because my kids grew up with this, I taught them to know their rights, to never, ever speak with a police officer without legal representation, to record every interaction with authorities on their phones, etc.  I also taught them to question everything - to never accept anything at face value, but to check it out for themselves. I know many people are critical of that and say it teaches my kids to have no respect for authority - my response was, why would I teach them to respect authorities that can do this??
They're all grown up now, so it's neither here nor there, but you also have to remember, my kids were often present during the harassment - they were in the car often when I was repeatedly stopped for no good reason, etc. So, in many ways, they saw for themselves why I was teaching them what I was.


And who do Sandra Lean’s ‘kids’ go to in a 999 emergency

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Sandra Lean’s oldest ‘kid’ lived with her father - ergo highly unlikely she was ever in her car when she was allegedly stopped for no good reason’ by the police

And I very much doubt Sandra Lean’s daughters have much to do with her now they are adults

Isn’t she ‘estranged’ from her youngest daughter
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2441 on: April 01, 2023, 03:30:00 PM »
Caroline Mcindoer
Sandra Lean thank you so much for your thoughtful response. I'm only 2 years older than both jodi and luke. My eldest daughter is 18 in a few weeks and I just don't know she they can ever actually relax around strangers... How can they live a life of freedom when they always need to be aware who's around and always watch what they say or do.
My heads mince with it all, who do they call when the need help? Is it back to the days of dad's pals sorting the "problem". No wonder my parents stayed up till we were all home safe! 💔 I suppose I've started the process. Since I've taught my kids that some people are just plain evil and never to accept anyone at face value. Never to believe that they truly know anyone as situations like this are not as isolated as we believe. I honestly admire you sandra and I reckon one day justice will be served for luke. However we also need to seriously consider the thousands of poor souls that will come after we are gone. Change is needed to properly protect the people who speak the truth against the system. Everyone deserves a right to a fair trial! Everyone deserves to live their life without the violence, corruption, fear and lack of honesty we are being offered currently.


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2442 on: April 01, 2023, 03:35:39 PM »
Sharon Indy Sunshine
There should be mechanisms in place that tell the defence/case workers when evidence is moved to an area next to where evidence is regularly destroyed - it's beyond crazy!!!

Gary Peden
Sharon Indy Sunshine seems that would be of little consequence since this person would ultimately be employed by the crown 🤷

Sharon Indy Sunshine
Gary Peden That is true like the labs etc. It's all one-sided. In America, they are piloting Centers for integrity in some states where they have independent labs, or independent people in the lab overseeing the evidence being testing etc. these are independent of the state to try to avoid the "put her in the garage" suggestion in Making a murderer wow they lab find something in the garage a bullet!


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2443 on: April 01, 2023, 06:41:35 PM »
Female misogynist Heather Brunt https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid029MuhiJwcUyuU8d8K6EboV2mTMNQkaT1HXwt8g2ZerSsg5MjhhWmUbD35ShfsrvA4l&id=1012973830

Creepy Heather Brunt

Heather German Shepherd
If I were [Name removed], Gordon and David [Name removed], I would be screaming for the samples to be tested to clear my name, if I were Steven Kelly and James Falconer I’d be screaming louder as both their sperm was found on and near the body. How do we know it’s not their sperm on Jodi bum without the tests. The justice system is rotten to the core.


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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #2444 on: April 01, 2023, 07:06:38 PM »
They (Lean and co) can "presume" until the cows come home, their presumptions account for zero. The evidence and the very essence of why the murder scene was placed there, was because of the forensic evidence leading in a trail from where that attack commenced and ended. The "dragging" and all else from photographs is from what LM carried out. A lad who without any doubt was fuelled by adrenalin.

LM described (from prior knowledge) that "large oak tree" the body was hidden behind - SF's says the body was behind a felled tree! SL has spoken of coming to a large tree stump then that large tree! They were not cutting any branches from a tree stump!

Let us just highlight some more lies here -

"A jacket, which was said to be similar to the one which may have been worn/owned by Luke Mitchell" P.199 of IB. This is the description of item to be tested in the reports - A parka is on the list of items, that coat taken from a connected house in Woodburn, it is one and the same coat. There in those defence papers and forensic reports, nothing "hidden" about it.

Lean in the latest claims, that at no time was that t-shirt worn by the victim ever identified as being her sisters - At trial JaJ's was shown that t-shirt physically and asked to identify it! It was not just a plain t-shirt, one of many hard to identify, it was of a certain make.

The intentional placing of focus around sex - As has been proved by science long before the 30th of June 2003, blood, semen, those types of bodily fluids take some serious washing to eliminate all trace. There was NOTHING visible upon that top that had been laundered, washing out trace of JaJ's, but NOT every single fragment of those remnants from a previous encounter. There was NO young girl putting on a dirty anything. Also those previous encounters between LM and [Name removed]!

There was NO cradling of any body! As was made clear, this is what LM claimed in that media article, it did NOT happen - LM could NOT see anything of what AW may have been doing, he was NOT down beside her. On that  phone to 999 whilst those screams resounded in the background ----- AW from her statements and evidence had briefly touched her granddaughters forehead.

A tent is primarily erected for privacy and preservation only if required. No media, no public there to spectate, a sheltered area from most everything. That crime scene preserved to the max, using only one access point that had already been accessed, not traipsing through every other area prior to the forensic teams coming in. - Again, the claims, everything these enablers say, placed in the trash at all times, there is NOTHING to trust in any of it. Everything, from the point of the coroner not being able to access via that break carried out by clear direction of experts.

But….but…but !!! No one’s listening anymore Parky….well not to you anyway.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?