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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3900 on: August 31, 2023, 03:10:22 AM »
Or Jodi Jones had found out about any one of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other girlfriends

Kimberley Thomson 14
Kara Van Null
Kimberley Thomson 11
Kimberley Tait
Laura Wightman
Gemma Chapman

Did Gemma Chapman also meet sadistic killer Luke Mitchell at the local youth club?

THE mother of Luke Mitchell's new girlfriend has sparked fury by allowing her daughter to visit him behind bars.

Twisted Mitchell, 16, who murdered and mutilated former girlfriend Jodi Jones when they were both just 14, has been seeing the teenager for months.

She sat in court alongside Mitchell's mother, Corinne, during his trial.

On Sunday, they visited him at Polmont Young Offenders Institute. The girl's dad drove her to Mitchell's house in Dalkeith, Midlothian, beforehand.

The 17-year-old cannot be identified because she is in full-time education.

Her mum is an administrative worker at a local primary school and helps run the local youth club.

She is also secretary of the community council, helps compile their newsletter and has fronted local campaigns.

Neighbours only discovered the girl's link to Mitchell when she was seen on TV leaving court.

One resident said: 'I can't believe she could be so stupid.

'It is beyond belief that any parent would allow their child to have anything to do with him.'

Another neighbour said: 'It is the talk of the village - no one can believe she'd be so stupid.

'Everyone knows teenagers can be outrageous but her parents should put a stop to this.'

Another local, a mum-of-two, said: 'She is a clever, sensible girl who has never been in any trouble.

'She is always polite and seems quite level-headed.

'Her family are popular and quite involved in the community, so it's very surprising.'
By Amy Devine
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Killer%27s+new+girlfriend+in+jail+visit+fury.-a0127892067
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3902 on: August 31, 2023, 04:16:23 AM »
Excerpt from page 169 of scammer Sandra Lean’s 2nd innocence fraud book IB

The only evidence that Kimberley Thomson was Luke’s “other girlfriend” was her own evidence that she “thought of herself as” or “believed herself to be” Luke’s girlfriend, even though, by the time Jodi was murdered, Kimberley had not seen Luke for six months.


Killer Luke Mitchell had last seen KT on 14th February 2003

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm

Ergo Sandra Lean’s “six months” should have been four months

Why doesn’t scammer Sandra Lean comment on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other girlfriends

And why at around 32:29 here https://youtu.be/iCsiViNiPGA?si=rDgnSPi0xDYhAanD does scammer Sandra Lean claim killer Luke Mitchell called Jodi Jones landline at 5:34pm
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3903 on: August 31, 2023, 07:13:37 AM »
Let’s hear a similar request from you for the statements of the search party three to be disclosed. Then we would truly see how was telling the truth about the changes in statements over the first weeks of the case. Not that you want that, do you?  Then it would be plain to see the paucity and dishonesty of your narrative. The nakedness of the emperor would truly be exposed.

After watching a programme on the murder of Nicola Payne something struck me. Nicola on the night she disappeared walked around the same distance from her house to the house of her parents. On the way she was abducted. Within the hour when she had not arrived her frantic parents had begun to search the local area.

Contrast that with this case. Jodi had allegedly left home around 4.50 to meet Luke. Her mother believed that she was staying in Easthouses and accordingly that Luke was meeting her at the top of the path. It would have taken minutes for her to walk that distance. Yet when Luke phoned the house at 5.40 there was no reaction to her not having met him when she should have, around 50 minutes earlier. We know Ovens passed on the details of the phone call to Jodi’s mother yet none of the two reacted to the fact that Jodi was not yet with Luke . 50 minutes after leaving on a walk that should have taken less than 5 minutes there was no sign of panic that Jodi hadn’t arrived. Why not? The usual excuse is they lost track of time. How? Ovens came in from work at around the time Jodi allegedly left. He would have known how long she’d been gone. Likewise her mother who seems to have had her eye on the clock while the lasagne was in the oven. Why no panic? Why no immediate search of the area?
Are you really suggesting that Jodi’s mum was in on it from the get go?  That’s not very kind of you is it?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".


Offline Chris_Halkides

semen versus DNA
« Reply #3905 on: August 31, 2023, 10:56:25 AM »
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497315300508?
The study linked above only covers DNA transfer.  The authors wrote,"With respect to AP testing, previous research has consistently shown that semen-stained items of clothing laundered with detergent does not give a positive AP reaction [6], [7], [8], [9], so AP testing would not be appropriate when examining clothing washed after the deposition of semen."  AP is an abbreviation for the enzyme acid phosphatase.  This is a presumptive test for semen:
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/ocme/downloads/pdf/technical-manuals/forensic-biology-technical-manuals/acid_phosphatase_062016.pdf

"The Retention and Transfer of Spermatozoa in Clothing by Machine Washing" Kafarowski E et al., Canadian Society of Forensic Science Journal 1996 29(1):7-11.
This article was linked above.  A portion of the abstract stated, "Although there was no visible staining or acid phosphatase activity, significant numbers of spermatozoa were retained in the original stain areas."  Again, the problem for a hypothesis of transfer during laundering is how to explain semen stains, not how to explain DNA profiles.

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Offline Chris_Halkides

alkaline phosphatase
« Reply #3906 on: August 31, 2023, 05:04:06 PM »
It will take some time to review the literature, but most of the studies I have seen so far deal with persistence of semen after washing, as opposed to transfer to a second garment.  I found this:  "As expected, none of the 30 pieces of laundered underwear tested positive for AP [acid phosphatase].  AP is a water-soluble molecule, and will likely be washed away."  The citation is Farmen et al., Forensic Science International: Genetics Supplement Series 1 (2008) 418–420 doi:10.1016/j.fsigss.2007.10.218.  Detergents generally denature enzymes such as AP, meaning that the biological activity of the enzyme is lost.

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3907 on: August 31, 2023, 07:13:30 PM »
I’m not sure how research carried out in 2015 can have played any part in ruling out a man whose semen had been found on a murder victim’s body in 2003.

Where is the research carried out before 2005 which the police must have relied on to come to the conclusions they did?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3908 on: August 31, 2023, 09:00:15 PM »
Or Jodi Jones had found out about any one of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other girlfriends

Kimberley Thomson 14
Kara Van Null
Kimberley Thomson 11
Kimberley Tait
Laura Wightman

Scammer Sandra Lean

None of the available evidence supported either the claim that Luke was seeing another girl, or that Jodi set out that evening to confront him about it”(IB)

The police had evidence that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had been cheating on Jodi Jones from the start

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3909 on: August 31, 2023, 09:21:55 PM »
This is what fraudster Scott Forbes stated using another one of his aliases

Jackie Johnston
@JackieJohn6966
Perhaps they should have looked more at the victims background. Jodi was badly let down by those who should have cared the most. As someone said yesterday luke Mitchell was a normal 14 Yr old till he became involved with a dysfunctional family. I share that opinion
3:17 PM · Aug 31, 2023

https://twitter.com/JackieJohn6966/status/1697252248160764098

There was nothing “normal” about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour

He was attacking young girls with knives since at least the age of 12 years old

This timeline includes some of killer Luke Mitchell’s violent nature - from aged 7 leading up to when he committed his murder

TIMELINE Of Sadistic Teen Killer Killer Luke Mitchell’s Violent Nature From Aged 7 Leading Up To His Murder 
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/

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Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3910 on: August 31, 2023, 09:26:08 PM »
In layman's terms, what would've happened forensically if a person had deposited fresh semen at the locus, on Jodi's t-shirt or body? Given the way the crime scene was managed (i.e., the clothes & body being left uncovered for a full 8 hours, exposed to the open elements and periodic rainfall), would it have severely degraded the semen to the extent that it wouldn't have been able to be detected at all? I presume rainfall would degrade the semen to some extent, but not to the extent that no profile could be obtained, partial or otherwise?

Incidentally, I don't think the semen on the t-shirt was transferred from another item of clothing during a washing machine cycle; rather, I think it was transferred onto the t-shirt directly by SK (SK and Janine were in an intimate sexual relationship) and it survived the washing cycle. Jodi borrowed the laundered semen-stained t-shirt (she was obviously oblivious to the fact it was semen-stained) and the rainwater spread more of the semen to other clothing (her bra, for example) and parts of her upper torso as it lay there uncovered for hours. Likewise, LM's partial profiles could easily have gotten there innocently as he was in an intimate relationship with Jodi (this explains why his partial profiles from semen were present on Jodi's bra and body).Who's to say that Jodi wasn't wearing a laundered bra with LM's semen still embedded in it (it's well known that LM had sex with Jodi on Saturday 28.06.03)? Like I said, they were in an intimate relationship and having sex regularly. So many hypotheses and variables to consider. And there's the fact that her clothes were all bundled together in one big heap as opposed to the items of clothing being bagged separately. But, as I said, SK had a solid alibi for that evening (well, between 1600-2030 that evening) from his father and Janine herself (both Janine and SK were at SK's father's house for dinner netween 1600 - 2030 on 30.06.03). It's absurd that certain people think it's possible that Janine had anything to do with it.

Btw, what size was the semen stain where SK's full profile was obtained?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3911 on: August 31, 2023, 10:15:00 PM »
Judith Jones sent a text to killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm!

There was, and is, also evidence that Judith Jones attempted to telephone killer Luke Mitchell at 10:17pm

TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Teenage Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3912 on: August 31, 2023, 10:48:51 PM »
What did Laura Wightman say about Corinne Mitchell smoking cannabis
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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3913 on: August 31, 2023, 11:31:48 PM »
In layman's terms, what would've happened forensically if a person had deposited fresh semen at the locus, on Jodi's t-shirt or body? Given the way the crime scene was managed (i.e., the clothes & body being left uncovered for a full 8 hours, exposed to the open elements and periodic rainfall), would it have severely degraded the semen to the extent that it wouldn't have been able to be detected at all? I presume rainfall would degrade the semen to some extent, but not to the extent that no profile could be obtained, partial or otherwise?

Incidentally, I don't think the semen on the t-shirt was transferred from another item of clothing during a washing machine cycle; rather, I think it was transferred onto the t-shirt directly by SK (SK and Janine were in an intimate sexual relationship) and it survived the washing cycle. Jodi borrowed the laundered semen-stained t-shirt (she was obviously oblivious to the fact it was semen-stained) and the rainwater spread more of the semen to other clothing (her bra, for example) and parts of her upper torso as it lay there uncovered for hours. Likewise, LM's partial profiles could easily have gotten there innocently as he was in an intimate relationship with Jodi (this explains why his partial profiles from semen were present on Jodi's bra and body).Who's to say that Jodi wasn't wearing a laundered bra with LM's semen still embedded in it (it's well known that LM had sex with Jodi on Saturday 28.06.03)? Like I said, they were in an intimate relationship and having sex regularly. So many hypotheses and variables to consider. And there's the fact that her clothes were all bundled together in one big heap as opposed to the items of clothing being bagged separately. But, as I said, SK had a solid alibi for that evening (well, between 1600-2030 that evening) from his father and Janine herself (both Janine and SK were at SK's father's house for dinner netween 1600 - 2030 on 30.06.03). It's absurd that certain people think it's possible that Janine had anything to do with it.

Btw, what size was the semen stain where SK's full profile was obtained?

Occam’s razor MA…  if you have two competing ideas to explain the same phenomenon, you should prefer the simpler one.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #3914 on: September 01, 2023, 12:02:39 AM »
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell & his mother Corinne Mitchell orchestrated an interview with James Matthews for the day of Jodi Jones funeral, which was Wednesday the 3rd September 2003

Luke Mitchell gave a Sky News interview to James Matthews
on the very day that Jodi Jones was laid to rest.

On Thursday the 4th September 2003 sadistic killer Luke Mitchell called the police to his home after the “media circus” he had created, after choosing to do his Sky TV interview, and made a complaint to the police that he was the “victim of a media circus”

Officers left after informing him there were no grounds for action.

Yesterday, police were again at Luke's home. An officer at the scene said: ``We are just here to keep the peace and tranquillity.'
'

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/LUKE+SKIPS+JODI+SCHOOL+AGAIN%3b+Boy+goes+to+work+with+mum.-a0107420191
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