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Offline Parky41

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4800 on: November 27, 2023, 10:43:32 AM »
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Take Dr Lean out of the equation, I know it’s difficult but do try, and what have we learned so far from the transcripts?

THE TRUTH.

Which is a lot more than SM masturbating to porn. That LM's dog had naff all to do with leading him or anyone to the victims body. That clear time scale from starting off to LM being in the woodland shouting out he had found his something. That he had went directly to the V break in the wall, from the first accounts all the way through. That once in that woodland he had barely moved from the V itself. Spare the further scraping with "searching about" They continued to walk down the path as he entered the woodland, conclusion that he was searching in there, whilst they were walking past that point. Could not see through that wall. He had shouted out "behind them" and closer to AW. When she stood back there he was, when they had ran back that short distance there he was. He had barely moved - Conclusion, he did not have to for he already knew what lay 'down there, 5ft in' behind his "large oak tree" with the bobble and all else! We saw just how close SK had to go, then we had AW all the way, who still did not see what LM claimed he did from over 30ft away! Of AW, the obstacles in the way, nothing straightforward, LM mere seconds!

That AW had not moved nor cradled the body of her grandchild, and on the deception goes. And there is still more to come.  That you with many more, have promoted the lies told, that false narrative, repeatedly over time. Who have the cheek now to say one should not have simply looked to DR Lean for information, when she is the very person you have mimicked for years, her alter ego. - You want to take her out the equation?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4801 on: November 27, 2023, 10:44:57 AM »
Ultimately, the lamentable and so easily avoidable schism, between those who believe Luke Mitchell's conviction might be unsafe and those who believe likewise, results from the following, with trial transcripts proven to be available, albeit at a personal, financial outlay.

To date, do you know how much has been spent on obtaining trial transcripts “at a personal, financial outlay” and why only two (Alice Walker & Steven Kelly’s) full trial testimony’s have been published?

What is the point of obtaining trial transcripts “at a personal, financial outlay” to then seemingly do nothing with them?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4802 on: November 27, 2023, 10:49:27 AM »
Ultimately, the lamentable and so easily avoidable schism, between those who believe Luke Mitchell's conviction might be unsafe and those who believe likewise, results from the following, with trial transcripts proven to be available, albeit at a personal, financial outlay.

Whoever is publishing the snippets of trial testimony which have been obtained “at a personal, financial outlay” doesn’t appear to be familiar with many of the facts of the case

For example here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html a couple of pages of testimony from Lorraine Fleming have been published

At the bottom of the last page Donald Findlay mentions the “wooden gate on the right hand side as part of a post and wire fence”

This was where Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh spotted sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell

The gate was photographed back in 2009 and has been reproduced here👇
👇
Scammer Sandra Lean & Her Laughable Eye Witness Testimony; Carol Heatlie, Rosemary Walsh, Lorraine Fleming, Andrina Bryson, Marion O’Sullivan, Derek Hamilton, Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston, Grant Elliot & The Jogger “Trick” (Part 43)
👇

https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/04/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-43/

Scammer Sandra Lean stated on p.126 of her betraying the innocent nonsense of a book

In Rosemary Walsh’s first statement on 8th July, a week after the murder, she said she arrived at Lorraine Fleming’s house between 20 and 25 past 5pm to take her shopping. As she drove down the hill on the Newbattle Road, her sister- in-law “pointed out someone standing by a wooden gate about 10 – 15 yards past the entrance to Roan’s Dyke path.”
She described the person as being aged between 14 and 17, about 5’6’’ to 5’7,’’ but that it was “hard to tell because he was leaning on the gate”. He had dark hair which may have been wet or had something like gel on it – straight, straggly looking hair. She was unable to say if he had a fringe or parting at all and she could not see his face because of his hair, which was between chin and shoulder length. His jacket was dark, hip length and might have been waterproof - she could not offer any further description – she was not sure if it was open or closed and could not say if it had a hood. She continued, “If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka, but that’s really just because of the length.” The trousers were black, baggy and “like jeans”. He was wearing dark footwear, but she was not sure if they were shoes or trainers. Two hundred yards along the road, she and Lorraine Fleming saw a jogger running towards the bridge on the Newbattle Road. They assumed the jogger had run past the youth. She believed the time was about quarter to six.


On the day Rosemary Walsh made her first witness statement (8th July 2003) sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell went into Edinburgh to buy a replacement parka jacket from FLIP

Therefore neither women could have been aware of the replacement parka jacket from FLIP when they first spoke to the police

Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell wasn’t photographed by the media in his replacement parka until mid August 2003

Yet there is no mention of the above in the authors blurb here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html

The author wrote “Did Luke have a Parka?

How would Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh know about the killers replacement parka jacket if it had yet to be purchased from FLIP?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4803 on: November 27, 2023, 11:31:21 AM »
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
I've had IF for years, that's about the standard. I block them all
10:07 AM · Nov 27, 2023

Diane Nolan
@DianeNolan1
Just going by the interactions I had with them yesterday, they have nothing to say but scream it anyway.
10:09 AM · Nov 27, 2023

Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
They now have a group buying court transcripts to try and score points. Seriously ive had them for years.
10:11 AM · Nov 27, 2023


IF = Innocence Fraud

Why would scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes choose to hide trial transcripts from the public they are knowingly choosing to attempt to dupe?

What have the pair of fraudsters done with the money from their book sales and “buy me a coffee” donations and all else?

How much were each of them paid to appear in the channel 5 TV show?
« Last Edit: November 27, 2023, 11:37:13 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4804 on: November 27, 2023, 11:42:24 AM »
From 'Innocents Betrayed':

"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...

In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".

A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.

If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.

Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.

Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?

https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/

The BBC have put out a lot of innocence fraud TV shows

What did the police say during sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell trial about the lyrics from “Infernäl Mäjesty” ?
« Last Edit: November 27, 2023, 11:56:56 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4805 on: November 27, 2023, 11:49:57 AM »
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It was my idea to get the transcripts after a friend who has nothing to do with the campaign told me they should be available. I only ever spoke to Mr Forbes once, transcripts were never mentioned. This man is not a truth teller.
10:42 AM · Nov 27, 2023

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
We left the cult, now we are being smeared and lies are being told. Standard stuff.
10:44 AM · Nov 27, 2023


Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and his toxic enablers (which includes his mother Corinne Mitchell and charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean) have been smearing people and telling lies since 2003
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4806 on: November 27, 2023, 11:55:17 AM »
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It was my idea to get the transcripts after a friend who has nothing to do with the campaign told me they should be available. I only ever spoke to Mr Forbes once, transcripts were never mentioned. This man is not a truth teller.
10:42 AM · Nov 27, 2023


Which charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean always knew!
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4807 on: November 27, 2023, 12:15:49 PM »
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
We left the cult, now we are being smeared and lies are being told. Standard stuff.
10:44 AM · Nov 27, 2023


Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and his toxic enablers (which includes his mother Corinne Mitchell and charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean) have been smearing people and telling lies since 2003

Are you sure?

In a cult setting, cognitive dissonance often “keeps you trapped as each compromise makes it more painful to admit you’ve been deceived
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-psychology-behind-cults
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Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4808 on: November 27, 2023, 12:25:35 PM »
The phrase "popular computer games and songs" can be read as meaning that the computer games were popular, not necessarily the songs.  I think that the lyrics in question sound like something that the band "Deathtöngue" from the comic strip Bloom County would sing.

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4809 on: November 27, 2023, 12:46:26 PM »
THE TRUTH.

Which is a lot more than SM masturbating to porn. That LM's dog had naff all to do with leading him or anyone to the victims body. That clear time scale from starting off to LM being in the woodland shouting out he had found his something. That he had went directly to the V break in the wall, from the first accounts all the way through. That once in that woodland he had barely moved from the V itself. Spare the further scraping with "searching about" They continued to walk down the path as he entered the woodland, conclusion that he was searching in there, whilst they were walking past that point. Could not see through that wall. He had shouted out "behind them" and closer to AW. When she stood back there he was, when they had ran back that short distance there he was. He had barely moved - Conclusion, he did not have to for he already knew what lay 'down there, 5ft in' behind his "large oak tree" with the bobble and all else! We saw just how close SK had to go, then we had AW all the way, who still did not see what LM claimed he did from over 30ft away! Of AW, the obstacles in the way, nothing straightforward, LM mere seconds!

That AW had not moved nor cradled the body of her grandchild, and on the deception goes. And there is still more to come.  That you with many more, have promoted the lies told, that false narrative, repeatedly over time. Who have the cheek now to say one should not have simply looked to DR Lean for information, when she is the very person you have mimicked for years, her alter ego. - You want to take her out the equation?

 8((()*/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4810 on: November 27, 2023, 12:48:07 PM »
THE TRUTH.

Which is a lot more than SM masturbating to porn. That LM's dog had naff all to do with leading him or anyone to the victims body. That clear time scale from starting off to LM being in the woodland shouting out he had found his something. That he had went directly to the V break in the wall, from the first accounts all the way through. That once in that woodland he had barely moved from the V itself. Spare the further scraping with "searching about" They continued to walk down the path as he entered the woodland, conclusion that he was searching in there, whilst they were walking past that point. Could not see through that wall. He had shouted out "behind them" and closer to AW. When she stood back there he was, when they had ran back that short distance there he was. He had barely moved - Conclusion, he did not have to for he already knew what lay 'down there, 5ft in' behind his "large oak tree" with the bobble and all else! We saw just how close SK had to go, then we had AW all the way, who still did not see what LM claimed he did from over 30ft away! Of AW, the obstacles in the way, nothing straightforward, LM mere seconds!

That AW had not moved nor cradled the body of her grandchild, and on the deception goes. And there is still more to come.  That you with many more, have promoted the lies told, that false narrative, repeatedly over time. Who have the cheek now to say one should not have simply looked to DR Lean for information, when she is the very person you have mimicked for years, her alter ego. - You want to take her out the equation?

Steven Kelly didn’t notice the socks - did he?

Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell to Grace McLean;

My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there

She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side

“Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring

“I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall

“The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her

“She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms


Open Your Eyes To The Continuous Blatant & Bare Faced Lies & Manipulation Of Scammer Sandra Lean On Sadistic Dalkeith Murderer - “Isn’t it amazing how quickly we forget” (Part 266)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/24/killer-luke-mitchell-open-your-eyes-to-the-continuous-bare-faced-lies-of-scammer-sandra-lean-on-sadistic-dalkeith-murderer-her-new-shop-front-part-266/

Does anyone know the exact date Grace McLean spoke with the murderer?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4811 on: November 27, 2023, 01:05:06 PM »
Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell to Grace McLean;

My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there

She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side

“Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring

“I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall

The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her

“She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms


Who out of Alice Walker, Steven Kelly and Janine Jones said Alice was held back ?

Alice Walker did not scramble over any wall by all accounts, she was helped over by Steven Kelly on the one side and sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4812 on: November 27, 2023, 01:07:23 PM »
Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell to Grace McLean;

My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there

She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side

“Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring

“I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall

“The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her

She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms


This was another of sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell’s concoctions
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4813 on: November 27, 2023, 01:11:41 PM »
Does anyone know the exact date Grace McLean spoke with the murderer?

Grace McLean

I interviewed Mitchell months before he had been charged with the murder of Jodi, and days after he had been questioned by detectives hunting for her killer

What date was this?
« Last Edit: November 27, 2023, 01:14:16 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4814 on: November 27, 2023, 01:24:49 PM »
Whoever is publishing the snippets of trial testimony which have been obtained “at a personal, financial outlay” doesn’t appear to be familiar with many of the facts of the case

For example here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html a couple of pages of testimony from Lorraine Fleming have been published

At the bottom of the last page Donald Findlay mentions the “wooden gate on the right hand side as part of a post and wire fence”

This was where Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh spotted sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell

The gate was photographed back in 2009 and has been reproduced here👇
👇
Scammer Sandra Lean & Her Laughable Eye Witness Testimony; Carol Heatlie, Rosemary Walsh, Lorraine Fleming, Andrina Bryson, Marion O’Sullivan, Derek Hamilton, Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston, Grant Elliot & The Jogger “Trick” (Part 43)
👇

https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/04/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-43/

Scammer Sandra Lean stated on p.126 of her betraying the innocent nonsense of a book

In Rosemary Walsh’s first statement on 8th July, a week after the murder, she said she arrived at Lorraine Fleming’s house between 20 and 25 past 5pm to take her shopping. As she drove down the hill on the Newbattle Road, her sister- in-law “pointed out someone standing by a wooden gate about 10 – 15 yards past the entrance to Roan’s Dyke path.”
She described the person as being aged between 14 and 17, about 5’6’’ to 5’7,’’ but that it was “hard to tell because he was leaning on the gate”. He had dark hair which may have been wet or had something like gel on it – straight, straggly looking hair. She was unable to say if he had a fringe or parting at all and she could not see his face because of his hair, which was between chin and shoulder length. His jacket was dark, hip length and might have been waterproof - she could not offer any further description – she was not sure if it was open or closed and could not say if it had a hood. She continued, “If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka, but that’s really just because of the length.” The trousers were black, baggy and “like jeans”. He was wearing dark footwear, but she was not sure if they were shoes or trainers. Two hundred yards along the road, she and Lorraine Fleming saw a jogger running towards the bridge on the Newbattle Road. They assumed the jogger had run past the youth. She believed the time was about quarter to six.


On the day Rosemary Walsh made her first witness statement (8th July 2003) sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell went into Edinburgh to buy a replacement parka jacket from FLIP

Therefore neither women could have been aware of the replacement parka jacket from FLIP when they first spoke to the police

Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell wasn’t photographed by the media in his replacement parka until mid August 2003

Yet there is no mention of the above in the authors blurb here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html

The author wrote “Did Luke have a Parka?

How would Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh know about the killers replacement parka jacket if it had yet to be purchased from FLIP?

Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell went to FLIP in edninburgh on the 8th or 9th of July 2003
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