Was The MET ever going to make headway?

[Brietta]

The police receiving a name is one thing; gathering evidence and charging quite another. 

The police received numerous names from Carl Beech and look how that ended up!

How has the MET advanced the case?

You really do make the McCann threads of the forum an exceedingly unpleasant place to post - is that your intention?

[G-Unit]

You really do make the McCann threads of the forum an exceedingly unpleasant place to post - is that your intention?

In my opinion asking if the Met was ever going to make headway, given that they have been pursuing this case for around ten years, is perfectly reasonable. One definition of making headway is 'to begin to succeed'. I can see no evidence that Operation Grange are beginning to succeed, if that means achieving the desired aim or result.

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion asking if the Met was ever going to make headway, given that they have been pursuing this case for around ten years, is perfectly reasonable. One definition of making headway is 'to begin to succeed'. I can see no evidence that Operation Grange are beginning to succeed, if that means achieving the desired aim or result.

I think the met was never going to succeed because CB was not identified as a suspect in 2003.
The only reason there has been progress is the appeal on German TV... Was that solely the McCanns idea or did the met suggest it..

All my opinion

[G-Unit]

I think the met was never going to succeed because CB was not identified as a suspect in 2003.
The only reason there has been progress is the appeal on German TV... Was that solely the McCanns idea or did the met suggest it..

All my opinion

2003??

The German public broadcaster ZDF is to air an extra-long episode of its equivalent to BBC's Crimewatch focusing on Madeleine McCann's abduction more than six years ago, in the hope of receiving information about two German-speaking men who British police think may have been involved.

the Metropolitan police said that, except for the Portuguese community, German and Dutch people were thought to be most prevalent nationalities in the area at the time of the abduction.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/15/madeleine-mccann-appeal-germany-netherlands-kidnapping

Police have investigated allegations that two blonde Dutch or German speaking men were spotted on the balcony of a nearby apartment, just two doors from where the McCanns lived.
https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/06/how-german-suspect-madeleine-mccann-was-discovered-in-a-13-year-investigation.html

In an exclusive interview, Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire told how they saw two blond men in their 30s, standing on the balcony of an empty apartment only a couple of doors away from the McCanns' flat in Praia da Luz.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html

Now where did the idea that they were German come from? Perhaps someone thinks all blonds are German or all Germans are blond?

I also wonder why the women thought the two men were suspicious-looking. Who worked out that they were on the balcony of an empty apartment? Was it really that balcony?

[Brietta]

In my opinion asking if the Met was ever going to make headway, given that they have been pursuing this case for around ten years, is perfectly reasonable. One definition of making headway is 'to begin to succeed'. I can see no evidence that Operation Grange are beginning to succeed, if that means achieving the desired aim or result.

I would see the point of whatever point it is you are trying to make if there wasn't a very active and current investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Remember her?? the little girl against whom a heinous crime was committed in 2007 and the perpetrator neither looked for or found.

What is it you harbour against the lawful investigation currently taking place in the endeavour of solving that crime it certainly isn't "JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE" although some people somewhere are pulling out all the stops on Brueckner's behalf.  And as I see it those people always having resented and fought tooth and nail against British involvement in the investigation of the crime against Madeleine just cannot help themselves when it comes to getting the boot well and truly into an investigation which has every chance of being solved.  It always bring to mind Corporal Frazer's catchphrase 😁

[Wonderfulspam]

I would see the point of whatever point it is you are trying to make if there wasn't a very active and current investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Remember her?? the little girl against whom a heinous crime was committed in 2007 and the perpetrator neither looked for or found.

What is it you harbour against the lawful investigation currently taking place in the endeavour of solving that crime it certainly isn't "JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE" although some people somewhere are pulling out all the stops on Brueckner's behalf.  And as I see it those people always having resented and fought tooth and nail against British involvement in the investigation of the crime against Madeleine just cannot help themselves when it comes to getting the boot well and truly into an investigation which has every chance of being solved.  It always bring to mind Corporal Frazer's catchphrase 😁

What crime was committed?

[Vertigo Swirl]

That depends on whether those people should have been suspects in the first place. The four arguidos were Operation Grange suspects for some reason, but were never suspected by the PJ.

Perhaps they should have been, no?  Or do you think Op Grange just picked suspects at random?

[Vertigo Swirl]

In my opinion asking if the Met was ever going to make headway, given that they have been pursuing this case for around ten years, is perfectly reasonable. One definition of making headway is 'to begin to succeed'. I can see no evidence that Operation Grange are beginning to succeed, if that means achieving the desired aim or result.

Exactly what would you cite as evidence of "beginning to succeed" given that the Met have made it clear they are not prepared to give a running commentary on the case?

[G-Unit]

I would see the point of whatever point it is you are trying to make if there wasn't a very active and current investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Remember her?? the little girl against whom a heinous crime was committed in 2007 and the perpetrator neither looked for or found.

What is it you harbour against the lawful investigation currently taking place in the endeavour of solving that crime it certainly isn't "JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE" although some people somewhere are pulling out all the stops on Brueckner's behalf.  And as I see it those people always having resented and fought tooth and nail against British involvement in the investigation of the crime against Madeleine just cannot help themselves when it comes to getting the boot well and truly into an investigation which has every chance of being solved.  It always bring to mind Corporal Frazer's catchphrase 😁

Was it 'hope springs eternal in the human breast'? I see lots of hope around this case. Hope that Madeleine is alive, that Amaral is judged to have libelled her parents, that the ECHR will judge that Portugal breached their human rights, that a stranger abductor is found and that the German suspect is that abductor.

I, on the other hand, have no expectations and have seen very little evidence to encourage these hopes. I also have no particular interest in discrediting anything or anyone, but I do see evidence which suggests to me that anything after the first investigation could have been chasing a false hypothesis. That is my opinion which has been formed without any agenda shaping it.

[Brietta]

What crime was committed?

                                                SIGHHHH 👀

[Wonderfulspam]

                                                SIGHHHH 👀

That's how I feel, waiting for the abduction evidence.

[jassi]

That's how I feel, waiting for the abduction evidence.

Aye, it's a long time coming, that's for sure.

[barrier]

Aye, it's a long time coming, that's for sure.

Bit like the second coming, won't be long now.

[Mr Gray]

Was it 'hope springs eternal in the human breast'? I see lots of hope around this case. Hope that Madeleine is alive, that Amaral is judged to have libelled her parents, that the ECHR will judge that Portugal breached their human rights, that a stranger abductor is found and that the German suspect is that abductor.

I, on the other hand, have no expectations and have seen very little evidence to encourage these hopes. I also have no particular interest in discrediting anything or anyone, but I do see evidence which suggests to me that anything after the first investigation could have been chasing a false hypothesis. That is my opinion which has been formed without any agenda shaping it.

Its not about hope for me its about looking at the evidence
The evidence suggedts MM id dead
The evidence suggests a stranger abduction

The evidence suggests the MCs will be successful at the ECHR

All my opinion

[Vertigo Swirl]

Was it 'hope springs eternal in the human breast'? I see lots of hope around this case. Hope that Madeleine is alive, that Amaral is judged to have libelled her parents, that the ECHR will judge that Portugal breached their human rights, that a stranger abductor is found and that the German suspect is that abductor.

I, on the other hand, have no expectations and have seen very little evidence to encourage these hopes. I also have no particular interest in discrediting anything or anyone, but I do see evidence which suggests to me that anything after the first investigation could have been chasing a false hypothesis. That is my opinion which has been formed without any agenda shaping it.

I see hope too - hope that the Met and the Germans fail to solve the case, hope that Wolters gets his comeuppance, hope that Bruckner is absolved of all involvement, hope that the McCanns fail at the ECHR and  spend the rest of their lives in a state of doubt / fear / incarceration (delete as applicable).