Anectdotal witness evidence

[Mr Gray]

Really! So if your parents came here from say Sri Lanka or Botswana, you are born here but as an infant you speak you mothers tongue and learn English at school you can't be English/British. That's a very strange view?

I have to honest and say that in my opinion I have seen no evidence of a sharp mind.

If my parents came from Botswana I would not be English.
I'm not really bothered about your opinion.. I've had plenty of confirmation of my intellect

[Vertigo Swirl]

Really! So if your parents came here from say Sri Lanka or Botswana, you are born here but as an infant you speak you mothers tongue and learn English at school you can't be English/British. That's a very strange view?

I have to honest and say that in my opinion I have seen no evidence of a sharp mind.

You seem to be suggesting by questioning Davel’s grasp of English comprehension and your explanation above that British born children of immigrant parents don’t have as good a grasp of the English language as indigenous British/English?  That’s a bit racist isn’t it?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

If my parents came from Botswana I would not be English.
I'm not really bothered about your opinion.. I've had plenty of confirmation of my intellect

Wow, just wow! So if you are born and brought up in England and feel English you can't think of yourself as English because your parents didn't come from England.
My parents weren't born and brought up in England but I was born and brought up here and let me tell you I feel very English. Are you saying I shouldn't?
Disgraceful!

[Mr Gray]

Wow, just wow! So if you are born and brought up in England and feel English you can't think of yourself as English because your parents didn't come from England.
My parents weren't born and brought up in England but I was born and brought up here and let me tell you I feel very English. Are you saying I shouldn't?
Disgraceful!

You really are losing it now and making a bit of a fool of yourself.. Imo.
I'm merely pointing out something that some might not realise... Being born in the UK does not automatically entitle you to UK citizenship and nationality.

You have lost the argument.. Opinion.. So have resorted to personal insults... Fact...

[Vertigo Swirl]

Wow, just wow! So if you are born and brought up in England and feel English you can't think of yourself as English because your parents didn't come from England.
My parents weren't born and brought up in England but I was born and brought up here and let me tell you I feel very English. Are you saying I shouldn't?
Disgraceful!

Well I was born and brought up in Singapore and Malaysia but I am not entitled to think of myself as either of those nationalities (sadly). 

[Icanhandlethetruth]

You really are losing it now and making a bit of a fool of yourself.. Imo.
I'm merely pointing out something that some might not realise... Being born in the UK does not automatically entitle you to UK citizenship and nationality.

You have lost the argument.. Opinion.. So have resorted to personal insults... Fact...

 I am prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt, but the line you used was

If my parents came from Botswana I would not be English.

Not might not be, or possibly not automatically entitled to be English but “I would not be English”.

I am not going to throw words around that another poster attributed to one of my posts tonight so instead I will put down your usage of the word would to poor usage of vocabulary,


You keep saying I am resorting to personal insults, please point them out because I am unaware of what insults you refer to.

[Mr Gray]

I mm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt, but the line you used was

If my parents came from Botswana I would not be English.

Not might not be, or possibly not automatically entitled to be English but “I would not be English”.

I am not going to throw words around that another poster attributed to one of my posts tonight so instead I will put down your usage of the word would to poor usage of vocabulary,


You keep saying I am resorting to personal insults, please point them out because I am unaware of what insults you refer to.

Questioning my language and suggesting it's so poor that you suspect it's not my first language.. Claiming my vocabulary and understanding of the meaning of words is poor... All false claims.

I did have a little respect for you but its now gone

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Questioning my language and suggesting it's so poor that you suspect it's not my first language.. Claiming my vocabulary and understanding of the meaning of words is poor... All false claims.

I did have a little respect for you but its now gone

So is your use of vocabulary so good that you meant to say "would not be English"

You stand by that line in the way it is written?

I may need counselling upon hearing what little respect you had for me has now disappeared.
Oh well, never mind.

[faithlilly]

I think you totally underestimate what a sharp analytical mind I have.
One of my sons who is a bit of a lad was facing expulsion from college.. Fir the umpteenth time and was accused this ime of plagiarism. As his tutors had found me a bit if a handful in a debating sense they decided to involve the dean..of the college to chair the meeting.. A successful academic.

I started the meeting and asked her how she would define plagiarism... She picked uo a piece of paper and read out the definition.  I asked for acuracy if that was her definition and she replied pompously.. No... The University of Oxford.. I think she felt she had really out me in my place... It's the timing that counts.

I explained to her that as it wasn't her definition she should have referenced it and as she didn't was guilty of plagiarism..

The meeting didn't last much longer. I did also explain that we had informed the college previously my son suffered from dyslexia... A protected disability.  .She lost all her pomposity and ended up being quite friendly.

It is not plagiarism if the source of the definition is quoted. It is quite apparent from your tale that the Dean quoted their source….the University of Oxford.

[Mr Gray]

So is your use of vocabulary so good that you meant to say "would not be English"

You stand by that line in the way it is written?

I may need counselling upon hearing what little respect you had for me has now disappeared.
Oh well, never mind.

I'm not interested in debating my language skills.. You seem to want to argue for the sake of it. If you've worked out both my parents are from Botswana... Congratulations.. Is there no start to your perceptive skills

[Mr Gray]

It is not plagiarism if the source of the definition is quoted. It is quite apparent from your tale that the Dean quoted their source….the University of Oxford.

The Dean didn't quote the source at first. I asked her for her definition of plagiarism. She read out a definition without giving credit to the source

[faithlilly]

The Dean didn't quote the source at first. I asked her for her definition of plagiarism. She read out a definition without giving credit to the source

She gave the source. Now, if when asked was it her definition, she had claimed that it was then that would have been plagiarism.

TBH I can’t imagine an individual as learned as a Dean getting caught up in such petty arguments.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

I'm not interested in debating my language skills.. You seem to want to argue for the sake of it. If you've worked out both my parents are from Botswana... Congratulations.. Is there no start to your perceptive skills

I haven't worked out anything about your parentage, I used Botswana as a random example, but if you didn't mean
"If my parents came from Botswana I would not be English" which has a very troubling implication to me, then your vocabulary was incorrect and you should have used a different word to would.

[Mr Gray]

She gave the source. Now, if when asked was it her definition, she had claimed that it was then that would have been plagiarism.

TBH I can’t imagine an individual as learned as a Dean getting caught up in such petty arguments.

She actually admitted Id caught her out and we had a little laugh about it.. She realised I'd set a little trap.

My latest one is I had rlto go to hospital ss a out patient... I asked fir a chair while I waited and was refused.  I explained I suffered with a disability and should be given s chair.. Still refused.  The complaint is in going.  I requested a face to face meeting with the complaints team.. Explained they were in breach of the 2010 Equality act. ..They've written to me to ask me which part if the act I think they are in bteach of.
Note the Equality act replaced the 1999 disability act..

Can you imagine that.. A hospital unaware of it's obligation to the disabled

[Mr Gray]

I haven't worked out anything about your parentage, I used Botswana as a random example, but if you didn't mean
"If my parents came from Botswana I would not be English" which has a very troubling implication to me, then your vocabulary was incorrect and you should have used a different word to would.

There is a rule on the forum Re persistent pointless arguing.
Faith used your... Instead of You're recently.  I didn't make song and dance about it and suggest her parents came from Botswana