Anectdotal witness evidence

[Vertigo Swirl]

I, on the other hand, see criticism being levelled at Grime by people with no knowledge of the subject and no evidence to support their beliefs.

Eddie's 'incompetence' in Luz is just another myth imo.

If Eddie was competent then he alerted to cadaver odour in Apartment 5a, now ask yourself why, 14 years later, two police forces have chosen to ignore this bombshell “evidence”.  Can you proffer any sort of plausible, logical explanation for this?  The answer is “no” isn’t it?  Even the PJ made no claim that a cadaver had ever been in situ in the apartment or the car so if the dog is always right why did they fail to draw this conclusion?  Any ideas?

[Brietta]

Don't forget Eddie alerted twice to a coconut shell in Jersey... What else could that be other than handler bias

For me the Jersey episode is epitomised by the frantic running around within the building of Haute de la Garenne making alerts which directed the path in which the investigation was taken.

I think it perfectly possible that wee dog might have been showing signs of dementia both then and earlier in Luz when considering the way he careered around mouthing evidence which came within his reach.

The episode of Jar6 really should have been the finish of this nonsense - all it tends to prove now is the obduracy of scepticism.

[Mr Gray]

For me the Jersey episode is epitomised by the frantic running around within the building of Haute de la Garenne making alerts which directed the path in which the investigation was taken.

I think it perfectly possible that wee dog might have been showing signs of dementia both then and earlier in Luz when considering the way he careered around mouthing evidence which came within his reach.

The episode of Jar6 really should have been the finish of this nonsense - all it tends to prove now is the obduracy of scepticism.

What surprised me about Jar 6 is what it says in the Rectangle report.
Having seen an apparent alert to the coconut she'll Grime was advised it was part of a childs skull.  He the took the fragment to a different location to screen it separately. Once again Eddie alerted to the coconut.. ..according to grime

If that's not proof of handler bias nothing is

[G-Unit]

That is very much a post made by one suffering from the "Non so Blind" syndrome suffered by sceptics.

You have no excuse for professing ignorance that Eddie had been deployed in the field when considered INCOMPETENT.

IT IS NO MYTH - it is a matter of record in an official police review undertaken for the Parliament of the States of Jersey.  https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf

Yet again your 'opinion' flies in the face of the evidence and reason.  Quite extraordinary, I think.

A review by BDO Jersey is not 'an official police review'.

[Vertigo Swirl]

A review by BDO Jersey is not 'an official police review'.

the report was commissioned by The Minister and Accounting Officer Home Affairs Department

[Mr Gray]

A review by BDO Jersey is not 'an official police review'.

there was police involvement with the review

[Vertigo Swirl]

there was police involvement with the review

yes
 BDO has worked alongside Mr Michael Kellett in performing this Review. Mr Kellett is a former Senior Investigating Officer serving in the UK, who also set up the North West Regional Asset Recovery Team. He has been separately engaged by the Acting Chief Officer, SOJP;

[Mr Gray]

Bones

170 pieces of bone which are mainly animal were found in the area of HDLG which was searched. Many more pieces of bone were found in the area of the grounds, all of which are animal.

 Of all that material, there are 3 fragments which are ˜possibly' human; the biggest piece is 25 mm long.
 2 fragments date 1470 to 1650 and the other 1650 to 1950
 These have not definitely been identified as human bone. Taking in all this information, this is an unexplained find if it is human, but not necessarily suspicious.

[Mr Gray]

A review by BDO Jersey is not 'an official police review'.

8. The Report states that the findings are “the joint findings of Mr Kellett and BDO”.
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[G-Unit]

8. The Report states that the findings are “the joint findings of Mr Kellett and BDO”.
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In my opinion the report exceeded it's remit, which was to " to provide an independent and objective opinion on the financial and governance controls in place in respect of the HCAE investigation in order to provide assurance to the Accounting Officer and Minister that resources have been used efficiently and effectively"

Grime wasn't responsible for deciding which resources should be used or how they should be used. If it was wrong to use him and his dogs the fault lies not with him, but elsewhere.

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion the report exceeded it's remit, which was to " to provide an independent and objective opinion on the financial and governance controls in place in respect of the HCAE investigation in order to provide assurance to the Accounting Officer and Minister that resources have been used efficiently and effectively"

Grime wasn't responsible for deciding which resources should be used or how they should be used. If it was wrong to use him and his dogs the fault lies not with him, but elsewhere.

They were right to point out that a close to 100k grime added no value to the investigation.  Pointing out the coconut fiasco helped to show what a waste of money grime was... Which was part of their remit

[Brietta]

In my opinion the report exceeded it's remit, which was to " to provide an independent and objective opinion on the financial and governance controls in place in respect of the HCAE investigation in order to provide assurance to the Accounting Officer and Minister that resources have been used efficiently and effectively"

Grime wasn't responsible for deciding which resources should be used or how they should be used. If it was wrong to use him and his dogs the fault lies not with him, but elsewhere.

Of course the Report was well within its remit.  Every aspect of the expenditure on the abortive police action regarding HDLG was warranted particularly that of the two private contractors.
There were real issues of allegations of child abuse which were neglected as a result of resources and personnel being sent in the wrong direction.
The Report makes it clear the use of the dogs was the catalyst for the digging which went on in the house and the grounds.

You touch on "the big boy dunnit and ran away" syndrome.  Which was another aspect the Review went into in great detail - the 'incompetent' dogs, which Grime was qualified to direct - and the other tasks undertaken for which he was not qualified but which bumped his remuneration up considerably.

[G-Unit]

Of course the Report was well within its remit.  Every aspect of the expenditure on the abortive police action regarding HDLG was warranted particularly that of the two private contractors.
There were real issues of allegations of child abuse which were neglected as a result of resources and personnel being sent in the wrong direction.
The Report makes it clear the use of the dogs was the catalyst for the digging which went on in the house and the grounds.

You touch on "the big boy dunnit and ran away" syndrome.  Which was another aspect the Review went into in great detail - the 'incompetent' dogs, which Grime was qualified to direct - and the other tasks undertaken for which he was not qualified but which bumped his remuneration up considerably.

They also made it clear that they attached no blame to Grime. How could they when the decisions made weren't his responsibility.

[Brietta]

They also made it clear that they attached no blame to Grime. How could they when the decisions made weren't his responsibility.

Oh ~ where exactly did they do that ~ perhaps you would indicate.

[G-Unit]

Oh ~ where exactly did they do that ~ perhaps you would indicate.

Of course;

. We emphasise here that our criticism is directed in the main not towards Mr Grime but towards those persons who thought it appropriate to retain the services of and to deploy such an expensive resource in this way.
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