Russia - Ukraine war

[Wonderfulspam]

So it looks like Putin is going out of his way to provoke NATO into joining the war.  We are all doomed.

Possibly, or Ukraine cedes to the core demands.

A Russian Crimea & Eastern provinces.

No Nato or EU in West Ukraine.

Like I was saying before, 2014 was the flash point.

Putin even accepted/recognised the demands of those in the maidan revolution, but before the ink could be put on any negotiations, western backed far right extremists rushed parliament in an armed insurrection.


E.T.A, huge spelling errors, was on my phone.

[Wonderfulspam]

No matter what Putin says, the only way NATO will join in is if Russia attacks a NATO country imo.

Ukraine is already defacto NATO.
We are arming the shit out of it & trained it's soldiers.

[Wonderfulspam]

Possibly, or Ukraine cedes to the core demands.

A Russian Crimea & Eastern provinces.

No Nato or EU in West Ukraine.

Like I was saying before, 2014 was the flash point.

Putin even accepted/recognised the demands of those in the maidan revolution, but before the ink could be put on any negotiations, western backed far right extremists rushed parliament in an armed insurrection.


E.T.A, huge spelling errors, was on my phone.

P.S, & that's what prompted Putin to annex Crimea. (in my idiots (me being the idiot) guide to Russia & Ukraine)

A strategic port of huge importance was about to fall into western clutches.

Imagine the situation in reverse, where the U.S was about to lose some seriously important territory.

I reckon they'd defend the shit out of it.

[Wonderfulspam]

And for anyone else who didn't know.

In Summer last year, the British sailed a navy destroyer close to or within the Black sea near Crimea.

Turkey gave the Ukranians drones, which they used against the Russians in the Donbas region & the U.S flew a bomber/fighter very close to Russian airspace.

Russia wasn't too impressed by this, as you might imagine.

It's been ramping up for years, while we all worried about climate change, gay rights, gender identity, tearing down our statues, self flagellating over our history & making black lives matter more.

While we distracted ourselves with that nonsense, the other two world superpowers have grown a sense of national identity, pride, formed a close relationship & invested heavily in their military.

[G-Unit]

Ukraine is already defacto NATO.
We are arming the shit out of it & trained it's soldiers.

It may be NATO countries which have been doing that, but not officially sanctioned by NATO. Those countries can step back now to protect themselves. I found it quite uncomfortable seeing Zelenskyy begging the British Parliament for help when we all know it's not going to give him what he wants. What the purpose of that was I can't imagine.

[Wonderfulspam]

It may be NATO countries which have been doing that, but not officially sanctioned by NATO. Those countries can step back now to protect themselves. I found it quite uncomfortable seeing Zelenskyy begging the British Parliament for help when we all know it's not going to give him what he wants. What the purpose of that was I can't imagine.

That's the path Ukraine has been led to.

We've been dangling the carrot of Western standards & protection for years.

The U.S plan has always been to spread democracy, what we couldn't quite grasp was, or worse still did know, but ran the risk anyway, was that the authoritarian totalitarian states in the world, they're not too keen on that idea, & they're prepared to defend themselves to the death from it.

[Wonderfulspam]

Wait until China tries to take back Taiwan.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong & that we'll somehow find a path to world peace, but the world has been around for billions of years & we still haven't found it, so I'm not entirely optimistic for the coming months & years.

Sigh, what bleak outlook I have on the world, even on a sunday.

[barrier]

Wait until China tries to take back Taiwan.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong & that we'll somehow find a path to world peace, but the world has been around for billions of years & we still haven't found it, so I'm not entirely optimistic for the coming months & years.

Sigh, what bleak outlook I have on the world, even on a sunday.

Pessimistic or pragmatic, I agree with you on previous points of climate change etc, no one in charge in Russia or China and even India care one iota, arm, arm, and arm again knowing full well the impotent west will stand by, whats the point of the Nuke deterrent if its not to be used, the last resort will be too late.

[Wonderfulspam]

Pessimistic or pragmatic, I agree with you on previous points of climate change etc, no one in charge in Russia or China and even India care one iota, arm, arm, and arm again knowing full well the impotent west will stand by, whats the point of the Nuke deterrent if its not to be used, the last resort will too late.

It's woken the west up a little hasn't it.

All of a sudden there's talk of needing energy independence & beefing up national security.

Never should have neglected them key aspects of survival in the first place, a f*cking 5 year old could have seen that.

[barrier]

It's woken the west up a little hasn't it.

All of a sudden there's talk of needing energy independence & beefing up national security.

Never should have neglected them key aspects of survival in the first place, a f*cking 5 year old could have seen that.

What to believe though, there's a story in one of the rags that a fracking site could start producing gas by the end of the year if a ban was lifted , time to reopen the coal mines, there's that much coal in our reserves, trouble is who would go down pit now.

[Wonderfulspam]

What to believe though, there's a story in one of the rags that a fracking site could start producing gas by the end of the year if a ban was lifted , time to reopen the coal mines, there's that much coal in our reserves, trouble is who would go down pit now.

Put all them Ukranian refugees to work, but that might be a bit too communist.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No matter what Putin says, the only way NATO will join in is if Russia attacks a NATO country imo.

It came to within a few miles of doing so this morning.

[barrier]

I see the Fail Mail is talking of diesel rationing, the first casualty of war is the truth.

[barrier]

It came to within a few miles of doing so this morning.

It'll get even closer imo,

[Vertigo Swirl]

Pessimistic or pragmatic, I agree with you on previous points of climate change etc, no one in charge in Russia or China and even India care one iota, arm, arm, and arm again knowing full well the impotent west will stand by, whats the point of the Nuke deterrent if its not to be used, the last resort will be too late.

The clue is in the word "deterrent".  Would you feel safer if the West had no deterrents at all?