Russia - Ukraine war

[Wonderfulspam]

You've been sharing some very interesting articles on the forum haven't you Wonderfuspam, challenging the western media narrative & what it's all about, thanks for that, you're not always a pathetic wummy troll, sometimes you share real & interesting stuff.

Yes I do, thanks, don't mention it, but as soon as the fighting stops, I promise to go back to just being a dick.

[G-Unit]

You've been sharing some very interesting articles on the forum haven't you Wonderfuspam, challenging the western media narrative & what it's all about, thanks for that, you're not always a pathetic wummy troll, sometimes you share real & interesting stuff.

Yes I do, thanks, don't mention it, but as soon as the fighting stops, I promise to go back to just being a dick.

I was beginning to wonder lol.

Thank you for all the info. It's most interesting and informative.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I was beginning to wonder lol.

Thank you for all the info. It's most interesting and informative.

Poor attention-seeking Spammy, most sensible people don’t even bother to read his posts.  Why should his brand of no doubt pro-Russian propaganda be any more reliable than that supplied by the “MSM” anyway? 

[G-Unit]

Poor attention-seeking Spammy, most sensible people don’t even bother to read his posts.  Why should his brand of no doubt pro-Russian propaganda be any more reliable than that supplied by the “MSM” anyway?

That's a very sensible view; judging posts as unworthy without even reading them. The MSM does offer some in-depth analysis, but it also offers simple slogans for simpler minds imo.

[Wonderfulspam]

"Even Henry Kissinger—I think it was in March 2014 in The Washington Post—wrote this line:

'The demonization of Putin is not a policy. It's an alibi for not having a policy.'

And then I wrote in reply to that:

That's right, but it’s much worse than that, because it's also that the demonization of Putin is an obstacle to thinking rationally, having a rational discourse or debate about American national security. And it’s not just this catastrophe in Ukraine and the new Cold War; it's from there to Syria to Afghanistan, to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, to fighting global terrorism. The demonization of Putin excludes a partner in the Kremlin that the U.S. needs, no matter who sits there.

Stephen Frand Cohen

[Wonderfulspam]

Stephen F. Cohen: NATO expansion and Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mciLyG9iexE

[Wonderfulspam]

That's a very sensible view; judging posts as unworthy without even reading them. The MSM does offer some in-depth analysis, but it also offers simple slogans for simpler minds imo.

Some people only hear the pro western propaganda, Russia bad, Putin bad, America can do no wrong.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That's a very sensible view; judging posts as unworthy without even reading them. The MSM does offer some in-depth analysis, but it also offers simple slogans for simpler minds imo.

I think it is very sensible to ignore posts by a self-confessed WUM and dick.  That poster forfeited the right to have his posts read for that reason alone.  I am more than capable of finding information and varying views on the conflict without the help of Wonderfulspam FGS, and thanks for your veiled insult - I am not "simple minded", but if you want to catch a couple of "simple slogans" you need look no further than every single one of the WUM's posts - his signature line says it all....

[Wonderfulspam]

I think it is very sensible to ignore posts by a self-confessed WUM and dick.  That poster forfeited the right to have his posts read for that reason alone. I am more than capable of finding information and varying views on the conflict without the help of Wonderfulspam FGS, and thanks for your veiled insult - I am not "simple minded", but if you want to catch a couple of "simple slogans" you need look no further than every single one of the WUM's posts - his signature line says it all....

Racist much?

Bit of anti Russian sentiment there, why?

Because that's what you've been fed all your life & you won't even begin to entertain the idea of understanding things from the Russian perspective.

[G-Unit]

Some people only hear the pro western propaganda, Russia bad, Putin bad, America can do no wrong.

Comforting, but simplistic.

[G-Unit]

I think it is very sensible to ignore posts by a self-confessed WUM and dick.  That poster forfeited the right to have his posts read for that reason alone.  I am more than capable of finding information and varying views on the conflict without the help of Wonderfulspam FGS, and thanks for your veiled insult - I am not "simple minded", but if you want to catch a couple of "simple slogans" you need look no further than every single one of the WUM's posts - his signature line says it all....

Well if you prefer to believe that Putin has invaded Ukraine just because he's a nasty man that's up to you.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well if you prefer to believe that Putin has invaded Ukraine just because he's a nasty man that's up to you.

LOL, I know you think I'm a simpleton but even I am not quite that simplistic .  I do think Putin is an despicable, irrational, reckless paranoid little man actually but I don't think he invaded Ukraine just because he's nasty, no.  I think he did it because he wishes to reassert his authority over former Soviet states, to return to the "glory days" of the USSR, to upset the world order and to throw his weight about a bit, and because he knows he can get away with it.  I'm sure his many girlfriends think he's a pussycat, and I know he gives plenty of men the horn so he must have something going for him.  But those who refuse to condemn his actions, condone them IMO and I think that's simply inexplicable.

[Wonderfulspam]

Well if you prefer to believe that Putin has invaded Ukraine just because he's a nasty man that's up to you.

He's going to try & conquer Europe, even though his troops are falling at over twice the rate of Ukranians, he doesn't care.

Of course he could enter negotians directly with Zelinskey & stop it, try to find a consensus agreement on the future relationship between the two countries, only Zelenskey is threatened with death by his own fighters if he does so.
So there is that minor sticking point.

[Wonderfulspam]

The whole idea that he's trying to reclaim the soviet states is a nice pro western theory.
But it is of course nonsense, his troops would be crushed, he doesn't have support from the public.
He'd have to commit his entire military to invasion & occupation over tens if not hundreds of millions of unwilling Europeans.

He's not insane, sure, not a nice man  but not so stupid he wants all out war with another superpower.

But Ukraine are insistent they want NATO troops on his border, & the U.S  whilst insisting they are not threatening Russia, still want to encircle it with their military.

[Vertigo Swirl]

LOL, I know you think I'm a simpleton but even I am not quite that simplistic .  I do think Putin is an despicable, irrational, reckless paranoid little man actually but I don't think he invaded Ukraine just because he's nasty, no.  I think he did it because he wishes to reassert his authority over former Soviet states, to return to the "glory days" of the USSR, to upset the world order and to throw his weight about a bit, and because he knows he can get away with it.  I'm sure his many girlfriends think he's a pussycat, and I know he gives plenty of men the horn so he must have something going for him.  But those who refuse to condemn his actions, condone them IMO and I think that's simply inexplicable.

I forgot to include compulsive liar and mass murderer in my above description of Putin - oops.  Is this libellous btw?  Better ask John.