Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction

[Brietta]

We'll know if they're right when they manage to arrest someone. Until then it's speculation imo.

Like everything else associated with Madeleine's case the investigators find themselves in quite an unusual situation.

• The prime suspect is already in jail.
  His recent request for early release was unsuccessful so no risk of flight as far as Madeleine's case is concerned.
• Do the Portuguese still retain primacy in more recent alleged cases and/or Madeleine's case?
  Bearing in mind that their initial agreement was with Scotland Yard and their now prime suspect was tried and convicted in Germany for a rape which took place on Portuguese soil while under Portuguese jurisdiction.
  
  It seems that German prosecutors have handed over files to Brueckner's defence council detailing alleged crimes - all of which were perpetrated in Portugal - as a precursor to bringing him to trial in Germany.
  These files may include details of another vicious rape.

Therefore although the crimes we are told Brueckner may be charged with are potentially very serious ones they are probably not as serious as murder so it is probably appropriate to get the lesser charges resolved first.  Which would leave prosecutors a margin of error to ensure Madeleine's case receives the attention it merits.

I suspect the combined evidence gathered by SY ~ PJ ~ BKA is going to be mind boggling in quantity and content.

[Brietta]

It is not speculation that three police forces are investigating an abduction.  OK, you believe the Met was instructed by the High-Ups to investigate an abduction to the exclusion of anything else but how do you rationalize to yourself the fact that both the PJ and the BKA are treating Madeleine’s disappearance as an abduction as well?  Let’s see how well you manage to swerve this question this time.

To get where we are today logic dictates that Madeleine had to have been abducted.  Tragically there is no room for ambiguity in the words of the German prosecutor that Brueckner is a murder suspect.

Very much a chicken and egg situation which goes straight to the nub of the matter.

[Wonderfulspam]

To get where we are today logic dictates that Madeleine had to have been abducted. Tragically there is no room for ambiguity in the words of the German prosecutor that Brueckner is a murder suspect.

Very much a chicken and egg situation which goes straight to the nub of the matter.

Where are we today?

The Germans are at a total dead end.

There's a reason for that, it's because Maddie wasn't abducted.

[Wonderfulspam]

It is not speculation that three police forces are investigating an abduction.  OK, you believe the Met was instructed by the High-Ups to investigate an abduction to the exclusion of anything else but how do you rationalize to yourself the fact that both the PJ and the BKA are treating Madeleine’s disappearance as an abduction as well?  Let’s see how well you manage to swerve this question this time.

But they're not getting anywhere, had you still not noticed?

That's because Maddie just wasn't abducted, there's no other reason.

[Eleanor]

Like everything else associated with Madeleine's case the investigators find themselves in quite an unusual situation.

• The prime suspect is already in jail.
  His recent request for early release was unsuccessful so no risk of flight as far as Madeleine's case is concerned.
• Do the Portuguese still retain primacy in more recent alleged cases and/or Madeleine's case?
  Bearing in mind that their initial agreement was with Scotland Yard and their now prime suspect was tried and convicted in Germany for a rape which took place on Portuguese soil while under Portuguese jurisdiction.
  
  It seems that German prosecutors have handed over files to Brueckner's defence council detailing alleged crimes - all of which were perpetrated in Portugal - as a precursor to bringing him to trial in Germany.
  These files may include details of another vicious rape.

Therefore although the crimes we are told Brueckner may be charged with are potentially very serious ones they are probably not as serious as murder so it is probably appropriate to get the lesser charges resolved first.  Which would leave prosecutors a margin of error to ensure Madeleine's case receives the attention it merits.

I suspect the combined evidence gathered by SY ~ PJ ~ BKA is going to be mind boggling in quantity and content.

I can only hope that any convictions will be treated individually when it comes sentencing.  As they would have been if pursued by the country in which they happened.  I am appalled by the fact that they were not.

[Wonderfulspam]

Like everything else associated with Madeleine's case the investigators find themselves in quite an unusual situation.

• The prime suspect is already in jail.
  His recent request for early release was unsuccessful so no risk of flight as far as Madeleine's case is concerned.
• Do the Portuguese still retain primacy in more recent alleged cases and/or Madeleine's case?
  Bearing in mind that their initial agreement was with Scotland Yard and their now prime suspect was tried and convicted in Germany for a rape which took place on Portuguese soil while under Portuguese jurisdiction.
  
  It seems that German prosecutors have handed over files to Brueckner's defence council detailing alleged crimes - all of which were perpetrated in Portugal - as a precursor to bringing him to trial in Germany.
  These files may include details of another vicious rape.

Therefore although the crimes we are told Brueckner may be charged with are potentially very serious ones they are probably not as serious as murder so it is probably appropriate to get the lesser charges resolved first.  Which would leave prosecutors a margin of error to ensure Madeleine's case receives the attention it merits.

I suspect the combined evidence gathered by SY ~ PJ ~ BKA is going to be mind boggling in quantity and content.

Well, you're going to be disappointed when you finally stop denying reality, because this is nothing but wishful thinking on your part.

Wolters hasn't said anything about getting these pesky lesser charges out of the way before he gets around to nailing Brueckner for the more serious murder.

[Eleanor]

Madeleine's Abduction is still an enigma to me as I continue to hope that she is still alive and loved somewhere.

I simply cannot decide that Brueckner is guilty, although this reaction doesn't have a logical reason.  My mind just goes blank when I try to think about it.

Perhaps because I have no experience or knowledge of people like Brueckner, who undoubtedly exist.  But never in my world.

[Wonderfulspam]

Madeleine's Abduction is still an enigma to me as I continue to hope that she is still alive and loved somewhere.

I simply cannot decide that Brueckner is guilty, although this reaction doesn't have a logical reason.  My mind just goes blank when I try to think about it.

Perhaps because I have no experience or knowledge of people like Brueckner, who undoubtedly exist.  But never in my world.

She wasn't abducted, that's why it's an enigma.

[Eleanor]

It is appropriate to deal with the Lesser Charges first.  Why start at the top and work backwards?  Especially if some evidence of Madeleine's disappearance might come to light in the process.

And if you really want to know, I do feel vaguely sorry for Brueckner.  He is a very damaged albeit dangerous individual.  Sadly, he needs to be locked away for a very long time because he won't change now.

[John]

Just another interesting pointer for you WS.   Not proof but yet another interesting observation that might mean something.



Prior to September 2013, I am musing over whether The Mccann private detectives were already wondering about CB, presumably from descriptions given by Tasmin Silence and the other three witnesses shown in the video


Cutting Edge Video          dated 11th September 2013



https://youtu.be/lkc3C6csaHI



Between 1.20 and 4.32 there are several shots of the man who was watching 5A.   These show his body shape, which is long, lean and quite unusual and with a pretty distinctive style

1)   Show general body shape
2)   Show long straight neck and prominent Adams apple
3)    Show general body shape and the hollow tummy area with thighs thrust forward
4)   Thighs thrust forward like HCW’s suspect, as seen on the images with the man leaning against 5A wall staring in 9seeimages taken from both directions in the alleyway.
5)   Dark sunglasses
6)   Clothes worn are pretty similar to those in the German photo supplied, I think, by Anthro.  Baggy white short sleeved T-shit with what look like jeans.



Compare this mans body to that of CB in the photograph taken inside his warehouse in Germany.  There are so many similarities.

I seem to remember that there is already a photofit image of this mans face which we thought was rather a good likeness.

An interesting post Sadie and for what it's worth, I agree with you in that there are similarities between the men that witnesses saw and CB. There are also descriptions which do not immediately associate to CB which tend to also rule him out.

[Brietta]

I can only hope that any convictions will be treated individually when it comes sentencing.  As they would have been if pursued by the country in which they happened.  I am appalled by the fact that they were not.

I haven't a clue how German procedures are conducted.  Three judges? and I'm not sure about a few lay people as "jury".

Speaking from ignorance ~ I would imagine that each case file would be judged and acquitted or upheld in its own right and sentenced as such???
For example I think Brueckner's lawyer already has had the file for one case for some time and it is expected that he will need a considerable amount of time to study the rest.  I think he may have the right of rebuttal of some content - whether on points of law or whatever.
Now being the time for alibi evidence etc to come to the fore?

For example I read somewhere that if found guilty of the rape charge there might be serious repercussions because of his prior.  Bit like our bizarre Scottish Moorov Doctrine.
I may be way off track here with my musings but if I'm disastrously wrong I'm sure I'll be corrected.  But I do have every confidence that Brueckner will get a fair trial in Germany if it comes to that.

[sadie]

It is not speculation that three police forces are investigating an abduction.  OK, you believe the Met was instructed by the High-Ups to investigate an abduction to the exclusion of anything else but how do you rationalize to yourself the fact that both the PJ and the BKA are treating Madeleine’s disappearance as an abduction as well?  Let’s see how well you manage to swerve this question this time.

Touchee.

[Eleanor]

I haven't a clue how German procedures are conducted.  Three judges? and I'm not sure about a few lay people as "jury".

Speaking from ignorance ~ I would imagine that each case file would be judged and acquitted or upheld in its own right and sentenced as such???
For example I think Brueckner's lawyer already has had the file for one case for some time and it is expected that he will need a considerable amount of time to study the rest.  I think he may have the right of rebuttal of some content - whether on points of law or whatever.
Now being the time for alibi evidence etc to come to the fore?

For example I read somewhere that if found guilty of the rape charge there might be serious repercussions because of his prior.  Bit like our bizarre Scottish Moorov Doctrine.
I may be way off track here with my musings but if I'm disastrously wrong I'm sure I'll be corrected.  But I do have every confidence that Brueckner will get a fair trial in Germany if it comes to that.

I am still in the process of trying to understand German Law.  As if I hadn't had to do the same with Portuguese Law.

There are circumstances wherein a Jury can be included, but I never quite sussed that because everybody was saying that it would be just Judges.  Three Judges?  Five Judges?  It would likely be an uneven number. 

In Portugal it has to be by the demand of The Defendant, which might not seem like a good idea for Brueckner if the same rule applies in Germany.  This does also apply in France.

This does all become a little difficult when one considers Leonor Cipriano who asked for a Jury.  And God forbid that I should ever stray into hypocrisy.

One Judge found her Innocent, while The Jury appears to have done as they were told by the other Judges.

Do I trust Judges?  That is where hypocrisy might raise it's ugly head..  Yes, I do, more so than Juries.  So why do I think that Leonor Cipriano was unjustly convicted?

So, you see, no matter what The Verdict in The Brueckner Case there will always be dissension.  And I have to accept that right to Opinion.

But if anyone wants to question a Guilty Verdict or an Innocent Verdict then at least cut The Semantics. 

Semantics bore me witless.  And I will expose this.

[Brietta]

Madeleine's Abduction is still an enigma to me as I continue to hope that she is still alive and loved somewhere.

I simply cannot decide that Brueckner is guilty, although this reaction doesn't have a logical reason.  My mind just goes blank when I try to think about it.

Perhaps because I have no experience or knowledge of people like Brueckner, who undoubtedly exist.  But never in my world.

They invade our world.  And the ball is very much in their court as to when they choose to do so - why they choose to do so - and what they choose to do.

They can have a profound effect on our lives though most of us thankfully will never encounter them or their dark side.
By all accounts Hindley and Brady could have passed as a nice young couple wrapped up in nothing but each other, but they changed the outlook of a nation which placed restrictions on the freedom of childhood just because of what they did.
Whoever abducted Madeleine had much the same effect.

I think Brueckner has a case to answer.
He will be given every opportunity to contest whatever it is in the evidence against him that made him the prime suspect in the first place.  So fortunately for us it is nothing to do with his prior record or our opinions for or against, it will all be decided by due process and the rule of law.

Same goes for the abduction.  I always knew the odds were stacked against Madeleine as they would be for any abducted child who was not recovered immediately.  All we had was hope shared with her parents and all those who love her that she was alive and well and would be found someday.
I was dumped by the BKA almost certainty of death which the evidence indicated.  I still have a little sliver of hope and why not?  I'm not privy to the evidence on which the BKA have based their assessment.

Throughout all of this I have never for a moment forgotten what the McCanns are being put through both the necessary trauma of events and the indescribable conduct of the nasty brigade.

[Eleanor]

But why The BKA?  That's the bit that I don't get.  Okay, Brueckner is German.  And now suddenly Portugal is interested?

What has Portugal been doing for the last fifteen years?  Other than supporting Amaral.