Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[Carew]

How could it be done by computer using all those vague timings?

Would it mean that several "windows of opportunity" for abductors would be set at several different times?

[slartibartfast]

So how can it be done?

 For instance.  The PJ ask Jez Wilkins to recreate his walk with his son.  Jez says ''but I'm not sure what time I set out, it could be any time between 8.15 and 8.30.''  What would the PJ's answer be to that obvious problem?

The same goes for other people, especially JT who cannot be sure whether it was 5mins or 10 mins or sometime inbetween that she left the table after Gerry.

Unless by some billion to one miracle  - 10 people all managed to exactly re-create their exact and precise movements in one attempt - then it could end up with say - Gerry being back at the table before JT had got up and before Jez had even arrived at the road - or Jez had come and gone before Gerry had left the apartment.   

What would that prove - except that it's completely impossible to do a precise reconstruction when people only know the approximate times of when they did things.

Can you not see that?

Can you not see that an iterative approach to adjusting timings based on the statements and the participants themselves in a reconstruction is the only way of arriving at a more accurate timescale? This is why reconstruction is a standard part of PT police procedure.

It makes you wonder if the T9 just assumed it was intended to trip them up rather then find out what happened thus leading to suspicions.

[Benice]

Can you not see that an iterative approach to adjusting timings based on the statements and the participants themselves in a reconstruction is the only way of arriving at a more accurate timescale? This is why reconstruction is a standard part of PT police procedure.

It makes you wonder if the T9 just assumed it was intended to trip them up rather then find out what happened thus leading to suspicions.

Well if you can't see how impossible it would be for a recon to be carried out with any of the accuracy which would be vital to come to any viable conclusion  - and in one attempt only - then there's really no point in discussing it further.

I can fully understand the misgivings felt by the T9.   Their own personal experiences would mean they had every reason to be suspicious, and no reason at all to have the slightest trust in the motives of the PJ. 

[Carew]

Well if you can't see how impossible it would be for a recon to be carried out with any of the accuracy which would be vital to come to any viable conclusion  - and in one attempt only - then there's really no point in discussing it further.

I can fully understand the misgivings felt by the T9.   Their own personal experiences would mean they had every reason to be suspicious, and no reason at all to have the slightest trust in the motives of the PJ.

How would the computer program have managed it then?

[pathfinder73]

Well if you can't see how impossible it would be for a recon to be carried out with any of the accuracy which would be vital to come to any viable conclusion  - and in one attempt only - then there's really no point in discussing it further.

I can fully understand the misgivings felt by the T9.   Their own personal experiences would mean they had every reason to be suspicious, and no reason at all to have the slightest trust in the motives of the PJ. 

The reconstruction should've been done in the first few weeks. SY should do this passing reconstruction using Jez and Jane's position as he was facing her not Gerry. At the end of it when they find it's impossible to pass without being seen SY should ask them to do a polygraph. Jez couldn't miss Jane in her purple top at 8.30 but couldn't see her coming and passing on a quiet deserted street. This needs to be thoroughly investigated as this time period 9-9.15 is important to the whole case as I believe this is when Madeleine left 5A.

[peter claridge]

it seems SY can do it on a computer

Which of the three timelines and altered statements did they use?

[sadie]

Well if you can't see how impossible it would be for a recon to be carried out with any of the accuracy which would be vital to come to any viable conclusion  - and in one attempt only - then there's really no point in discussing it further.

I can fully understand the misgivings felt by the T9.   Their own personal experiences would mean they had every reason to be suspicious, and no reason at all to have the slightest trust in the motives of the PJ. 

Additionally they will have heard what happened in the Joana Cipriano case and in the Michael Cook case

[faithlilly]

Additionally they will have heard what happened in the Joana Cipriano case and in the Michael Cook case

So are you advocating that witnesses to a crime in this country withdraw their cooperation because they may have heard what happened to the numerous innocent citizens who have suffered injuries or died at the hands of our good old British bobbies ?

[pegasus]

The "flip-flops" were i.m.o. the type with ankle strap

[faithlilly]

The "flip-flops" were i.m.o. the type with ankle strap

And what makes you think that Pegasus ? Expediency ?

[pegasus]

Because IIRC they were on a tv broadcast. IMO they are ankle-strap flipflops (not loud flipflops which have only toe-straps).

[faithlilly]

Because IIRC they were on a tv broadcast. IMO they are ankle-strap flipflops (not loud flipflops which have only toe-straps).

I would be interested in seeing that broadcast or screenshots from it Pegasus.

[pegasus]

It was not on 3 May however IMO shows the same flipflops, I will try to post something, may take a while.
Just pointing out that flipflop in the english language can mean either the style with only straps at the front which admitedly can be noisy, or the style which has the addition of straps at the back so like a sandal without solid sides.

[faithlilly]

It was not on 3 May however IMO shows the same flipflops, I will try to post something, may take a while.
Just pointing out that flipflop in the english language can mean either the style with only straps at the front which admitedly can be noisy, or the style which has the addition of straps at the back so like a sandal without solid sides.

Look forward to your post Pegasus.

[slartibartfast]

It was not on 3 May however IMO shows the same flipflops, I will try to post something, may take a while.
Just pointing out that flipflop in the english language can mean either the style with only straps at the front which admitedly can be noisy, or the style which has the addition of straps at the back so like a sandal without solid sides.

If it has a strap it is a sandal.